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To: combjelly who wrote (559590)4/8/2010 12:59:56 PM
From: i-node4 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1578096
 
It isn't a lie only if you have no reason to think it was false at the time. But, there was plenty of reason at the time to at least have doubt. And their statements at the time expressed no doubt, far from it. They made the claims that it was clear and certain. That was false. Now, true, if they had expressed anything less than certainty, they never would have gotten support for the war.

We're working on different fact sets. Almost all intelligence is a matter of degree, so there is always SOME doubt. Yet, no competent president would have expressed such doubt in making the case.

There is no doubt the Bush administration WANTED to go into Iraq. The reason is that it was the right thing to do. They made serious mistakes in focusing on WMD to justify it, but that in no way diminishes the importance of the accomplishment of creating a democracy in Iraq.

Now, whether Obama can hang onto it is an entirely different matter. He "inherited" a stable situation and I'm not sure he isn't allowing it to slip away. Hopefully not.



To: combjelly who wrote (559590)4/8/2010 1:00:49 PM
From: i-node5 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578096
 
Which was not at all supported by the intelligence developed by his agents. Tenet had a bad habit of telling presidents what they wanted to hear. According to documentation released, Cheney in particular made it crystal clear what they wanted to hear from the CIA. And the documentation shows that Tenet put pressure to get those answers. Despite that, the CIA still provided those answers full of caveats and noted that a lot was speculative. It also indicated there were lots of reasons to believe that it just wasn't the case.

Slam dunk. That's what he said.