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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16531)	4/9/2010 4:52:11 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

yeah Cuba and China don't kill more, sure and they are so honest about reporting those deaths.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16531)	4/9/2010 4:59:11 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

200K deaths by mistake...taken alone would deny us the title of best healthcare system in the world. Not if every other wealthy country had 800k. I'm not saying they do (in fact I'd say they don't, we are the the biggest rich country). But it shows that you can't just post our number and say we can't be the best. The other countries could be worse per capita, or worse per number of hospital treatments provided. To say we may not be as bad as other countries when 200K have died is unconscionable.... Nonsense. To say we are worse you have to show both sides of the issue. You don't even try to do so. Your argument is that we are bad at this. Lets assume your right, I won't dispute it. Fine we are bad, that doesn't mean other countries can't be worse. Your always asking for real numbers. Fine provide them yourself. How many deaths, deaths per capita, and deaths per hospital treatment, are caused by medical mistakes in hospitals in France? How many in the UK? How many in Germany? How many in Italy? In Japan?... Your argument is like saying "The US has 300,000,000 plus people, how can you possibly say that we don't have the highest population in the world." I suppose if I pointed out India and China than I would be "weaseling on my answer" according to you. If you where arguing "This is a big problem in the US" than you'd have a pretty good case. But that's not what your saying. Your saying it means the US is horrible or at least bad COMPARED TO other countries ("deny us the title of best healthcare system in the world"). To back that up you have to present the data on the other countries. It might even support your argument, I don't know, I haven't seen the data (except for Canada which was close to the US), but you haven't made your argument just by talking about us, we also need to know about them.