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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16570)	4/10/2010 9:02:23 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

I suggest you read this.....Jan 2010, NEJM I suggest you look up just what it is that's represented in any numbers you put forth before you draw conclusions about them and apply them inappropriately. If you look you will find that the computations include deaths from all causes, including what WHO calls intentional and unintentional accidental deaths. If you look at the data you find that accidental deaths in the US are about one fourth higher in the US than in Sweden. (bodgbddeathdalyestimates.xls from who.int) Now, folks who die from other than disease are just as dead but their deaths aren't relevant to health care so aren't a basis for conclusions about health care. The chart is for men aged 15-60. Note that all the lines have been going down for a while but the US line has flattened lately. Consider the number of American men in that cohort killed in military combat during that period vs the number of Swedes or Australians (0/2, according to Wiki). Surely you can see how including accidental deaths can change things.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16570)	4/10/2010 5:27:02 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

What do you think that data shows? Its probability of death for a certain group, in three countries, over time. They might be cherry picking the group or the countries. Even if they are not, its not a chart of mortality do to hospital mistakes (the issue we where discussing), nor is it a strong indicator of deaths from all purposes. IF more young to middle age American males die from murder or car accidents than the equivalent Swedish group, what does that tell us about our medical care, and medical payment systems? Next to nothing. --------- Look at this data adjusting life expectancy for accident and homicides They compare 16 wealthy countries. The US is last on the chart in raw life expectancy numbers, but number 1 (highest life expectancy) when you adjust for these factors. politicalcalculations.blogspot.com