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To: Thomas M. who wrote (79114)4/21/2010 3:30:46 PM
From: mph1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 90947
 
Maybe it depends on whether a Democrat is in power. Bill Clinton was responsible for Waco and Ruby Ridge. Obama regards Chavez as a soul mate, or so it seems.

The Dems are frog-marching the country to just that end, or haven't you noticed? If they get their way, there will not be a dime's worth of difference between the U.S. and a country like Venezuela.

How come you're such a fan of Chavez anyway?

Even the liberal Wiki recognizes his authoritarian leanings:


The 2010 OAS report also found concerns with freedom of expression, human rights abuses, authoritarianism, press freedom, threats to democracy,[55] political intimidation, and "the existence of a pattern of impunity in cases of violence",[56] as well as erosion of separation of powers, the economic infrastructure, and "chronic problems including power blackouts, soaring crime, and a perceived lack of investment in crucial sectors".[57] The report discusses decreasing rights of those in opposition to the government and "goes into heavy detail" about control of the judiciary. It says elections are free, but the state has increasing control over media and state resources used during election campaigns, and interference with opposition elected officials.[58] According to The Washington Post, the report shows that "Chávez holds tremendous influence over other branches of government, particularly the judiciary";[55] CNN says the "lack of independence by Venezuela's judiciary and legislature in their dealings with leftist President Hugo Chavez often leads to the abuses",[56] and the Wall Street Journal blames the government of Chavez.[57] Chávez rejected the report, calling it "pure garbage", and said Venezuela should boycott the OAS; a spokesperson said, "We don't recognize the commission as an impartial institution". He disclaims any power to influence the judiciary.[59] A Venezuelan official said the report distorts and takes statistics out of context, saying that "human rights violations in Venezuela have decreased".[60]

The European Parliament passed a February 2010 resolution[61] expressing "concern about the movement toward authoritarianism" by Chávez.[62]


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To: Thomas M. who wrote (79114)4/21/2010 5:12:11 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
I'd never heard any suggestion that anyone at Ruby Ridge or Waco wanted to overthrow the government. They may have been weirdos, but they weren't what you suggest. I also don't know that they were dangerous to anyone outside their group.

I do agree that Democratic administrations are dangerous to out liberties and lives.