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To: Grainne who wrote (13530)	11/6/1997 9:07:00 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Freddy, have you ever heard of the Inquisition? Thanks for springing the trap. The Inquisition was a Spanish reign of terror, part of the political landscape that included a protracted war between Islam and Christianity on the Iberian peninsula that continued until 1492. If it was typical of Christian belief and behavior it wouldn't be unique to Spain, and that era of Spain. You are committing a common logical fallacy by trying to generalize from a particular. Nice try. Are you arguing that the clearheadedness of one pastor in Salem refutes a history of Christian persecution of women which lasted several hundred years? I pointed out that it was in fact Salem's Christian Pastor who put an end to the madness upon his return from England, which contradicts your repeated claims that Christianity was at the root of the persecution. This, incidentally, is a proper use of logic. A cannot be -A. Your claim of "a history of Christian persecution of women last(ing) several hundred years" is simply tendentious accusation, and moreover begs the question of why the persecution of women isn't a constant throughout all Christian history, if it is, as you claim, characteristic of Christianity. Are you aware of the advanced civilization of the Celts in Ireland, with equal rights for women, before the Christians came? Did you know that divorce was legal there until the 12 century? I'm aware that the pre-Chritian Celts didn't write. There is no Celtic alphabet. They didn't leave us legal codes, histories, or religious writings. So I'm curious where you found this detailed description of Celtic society. I assume it is like most all modern "witchcraft": it's made up like a child's game. Perhaps you might find the following urls interesting regarding what the Christians did to the pagans in Europe during the Middle Ages: Oh, did you find some urls that tell a story you like? Perhaps you can find yourself a copy of R.H. Robbin's The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Crown Publishers, 1959. I find it very informative. "Witches" were laregly ignored in the Middle Ages. The greatest number of victims of Church persecution were "heretics": the Albigensians of southern France, the Bogomils, Waldensians, the early Protestants. These groups suffered enormously at the hands of the official Church and their government allies. "Witches" were victims at the times that they were included as heretics, far less than the time Protestants and others were persecuted. The times of persecution marked a nadir of corruption in the Catholic church, and one result of this was the Reformation. In earlier times Aquinas wrote against the idea of "spirits" inhabiting matter, and in the centuries before him there was no persecution of witches. There was very little persecution of witches in Protestant realms. Old pagan Europe was filled with superstition and spirits, spirits that inhabited all sorts of animals and objects. And of a belief in sorcerers and witches who could contact this spirit realm. At times the old beliefs rise to the surface.