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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (83799)5/11/2010 8:54:40 PM
From: TimF4 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224755
 
Because of Dick Cheney, they were drilling without all of the safeguards

"Without all the safeguards" can mean either "without any safeguards", or "without every possible safeguard". Either way your statement is nonsense. The first because safeguards on the rig where extensive, as they are on all the other rigs. The 2nd because there are always more safeguards that could be added whether or not they are cost effective.

So dropping the nonsensical part of your post we get "Because of Dick Cheney, they were without an acoustical shutoff valve.

That offshore oil rigs would be required to have this particular safety measure if it was not for action by Cheney is possible, but you have not established it as truth, you've just claimed it with not backing.

Beyond that there is the question of would it have helped, which you seem to assume, you don't address it at all. The well not only had a primary shutoff (where someone presses a button and the signal needs to travel down an intact wire to cause shutoff), but a backup "deadman switch" with a constant signal that if lost (by the connection to the sub-sea unit being severed) causes the shutoff to occur. The fact that this backup didn't work leads to speculation that the cause of the failure was at the sub sea level, with some physical or electrical fault preventing the shutoff from happening. If that's the cause a setup for an acoustical signal to the shutoff valve unit wouldn't have done any good.

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U.S. regulators don't mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by oil giant BP PLC, didn't have one. With the remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.

The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blowouts are rare, and it remained unclear Wednesday evening whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic switch, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort.



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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (83799)5/12/2010 12:39:50 PM
From: lorne3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224755
 
ken..."Because of Dick Cheney, they were drilling without all of the safeguards - without an acoustical shutoff valve."

Well ken using your own logic....such as it is?....

Would you think it fair to say that carter the stupid.... the second worst president in USA history.... would be to blame if heaven forbid there should another nuclear accident in the USA????

Subject: President Jimmy Carter/Admiral Hyman Rickover/3 Mile Island Cover-Up
ratical.org

Extraordinarily dangerous technology which just here in the USA has killed [and will continue to kill] 9 million people according to Dr. Ernest Sternglass, Professor Emeritus of Radiological Physics at the University of Pittsburgh and Dr. Jay Gould, E.P.A. Member under President Jimmy Carter, in their book Deadly Deceit: Low-Level Radiation, High Level Cover-Up [Publisher 4 Walls, 8 Windows in New York].

Since nuclear power is so deadly here, it is deadly wherever it exists -- be that Japan, China, Indonesia, France, etc. Clearly it must be abolished. In addition to its inherently murderous nature, the waste problem, possibility of meltdown or excursion due to human error, earthquake [particularly relevant in Japan & Indonesia], war, or storm -- nuclear power is felt to be so dangerous that the heart of the accident at 3 Mile Island in 1979 has been and continues to be covered up and lied about to both the USA public and world public. Here are the basic facts. Please act on them by calling your local TV, radio, & newspaper outlets and demand that they investigate and write/tell the truth. Also, call, write, fax, & E-mail former President Jimmy Carter and demand that he finally tell the world the truth about the accident and cover-up at 3 Mile Island. President carter can be reached at:

President Jimmy Carter
Carter Library
441 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, Georgia 30307-1498
U.S.A.
Phone: 404-331-3942 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 404-331-3942 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
Fax: 404-730-2215
E-mail: library@carter.nara.gov

The basic cover-up is described by Jane Rickover, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover's daughter-in-law in this signed, notarized statement:

"In May, 1983, my father-in-law, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, told me that at the time of the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor accident, a full report was commissioned by President Jimmy Carter. He [my father-in-law] said that the report, if published in its entirety, would have destroyed the civilian nuclear power industry because the accident at Three Mile Island was infinitely more dangerous than was ever made public. He told me that he had used his enormous personal influence with President Carter to persuade him to publish the report only in a highly "diluted" form. The President himself had originally wished the full report to be made public.
In November, 1985, my father-in-law told me that he had come to deeply regret his action in persuading President Carter to suppress the most alarming aspects of that report."

[Signed] Jane Rickover

Jane Rickover appeared before me and swore as to the truth of the above statement.

Dated at Toronto this 18th day of July A.D. 1986
[Signed] William F. Lamson
William F. Lamson Q.C.
Notary Public for the Provence of Ontario

I spoke with Jane Rickover twice in depth. She verified the absolute truthfulness of this signed, notarized statement. She also told me that Dan Rather, the CBS-TV news anchor for many years and then with the famous American TV show "60 Minutes" called her and her husband and sounded very interested in looking into this story. They never heard from him again. Obviously, Rather was told by his corporate masters just how far serious investigative journalism was allowed to go. Again, please E-mail, fax, call, write President Carter at the above addresses & Phone/Fax numbers and demand that he finally come clean with the facts.

Another alarming piece of evidence in this cover-up was sent to me and President Carter recently by Dr. Rosalie Bertell, President of the International Institute of Concern for Public Health in Toronto. Dr. Bertell states in her February 10, 1998 E-mail to President Carter:

"There is only one large blot on your record, which distresses those of us who respect you, and that is the cover up of the Three Mile Island Accident, and in particular the serious health damage done to the people who lived nearby. I was on the Citizen's Advisory Council to the Blue Ribbon Panel which you [President Carter] established to look into the accident. I, and indeed the whole panel, was dismissed when I asked the implications of having a staff cleared for security and a Blue Ribbon Panel which was not cleared, with the exception of Dr. Kemmeny who had worked on the Manhattan Project. The staff was able to withhold any information they wanted from the Panel under the guise of "classified for national security." Another Advisory Council Member asked who was in charge during the accident. These two questions were enough to cause the dissolution of the entire panel. In fact, Dr. Kemmeny even stated publicly that we had never been invited to Washington (although the Panel paid our air fare)."

I also spoke recently with Dr. Bertell who verified the validity of her E-mail to President Carter. She has not heard from President Carter. The only way she or the rest of the world will is by having ALL OF YOU DELUGE PRESIDENT CARTER RIGHT NOW. ACT IMMEDIATELY! E-mail, fax, call, write President Carter at: