To: tejek who wrote (565979 ) 5/13/2010 4:13:40 AM From: one_less 1 Recommendation Respond to of 1578188 Actually it makes perfect sense that the story I related sounds to fantastic to believe by someone who has not witnessed it and since it hasn't been in the media (no surprise), and as you said isn't viewable from a bario type of setting, at least not by someone like you. It still urks me though. I asked my daughter if she remembered it and she remembers it fairly clearly, which surprised me because I tried to play it down for her at the time to avoid trammatizing her. We talked about the people there who we still have some love for and how things have gone since. It was a nice chat before sending her off to bed. So one positive thing came of it. I don't know anything about bario culture but I guess that is how you relate to subcultures of ethnicity and you seem to think your experiences should exemplify what ever there is to know in and about subcultures where immigrants might be seen. Sociologists would tell you, you have to become one, or at least be accepted as one, to really know but I understand there are limits. In any event, I am not willing to put myself out on limb just to bring convincing evidence to you, so I will have to live with your skeptical attitude, that is only fair. You are not my friend, furthest thing from it, but even the closest friend in the world wouldn't ask such a thing if they knew the ramifications of it, and if they did I'd still have to decline."Then why do you espouse so many of their beliefs?" I get that a lot, just as much when venturing into a rw haunt where I get labeled a LWer as I do by you and your allies when I am in places like this. Some of the RW people here have earned my respect, usually from one of those other RW threads years ago, they've each challenged me or stood up to challenges I have levied at them with dignity and honor, and while some mighty powerful disagreement was going on. Tim Fowler, Brumar, Jlallen and others. I still find cause to disagree with their positions now and then, but I've never felt disrespected by them. We tend not to get into those topics on this thread for some reason. You think Don Hurst or bentway have shown themselves to be worthy of my respect? I don't, and it has nothing to do with them being LW or RW. I espouse my beliefs and or principles, not theirs, not yours, but I think that goes right over your head, so ok fine. It surprises me more than you when those principles match up with a person like longnshort's but that doesn't make me want to drop them. It tells me something about myself but I'm ok with that."You told us that one of your heroes is Sarah Palin,.. I admired her gumpshun when she made her big splash a couple of years ago and I said so. I thought well of her for holding up under the meanest onslaught I've ever witness against a person like her. There was no precedent, no role model and she stood there and held her head up through it. I haven't paid a spit of attention since, for all I know she could have blown it by now or she may be a much better person for it. I am clueless but feel free to keep harrassing me about it, if it makes you feel better. That's me, its my business, it says nothing about what I think of the RightWing or left wing. When I see something about someone I like I say so, with out considering political Wingedness. I was gushing over Timothy Leary earlier today and Gordon Liddy almost in the same breath. I know you don't know what that means but it is relevant to what I just said anyway."...and a very conservative person." Yeah. "Now you want me to believe you're not one of them? I said I live a very private and conservative lifestyle, and that I view change and innovation in a liberal manner. I know the filtering system you impose on yourself and I don't expect much from you. I've told you what I expect from you and you generally show me that my expectations are valid. I don't expect to see a person in a wheel chair doing jumping jacks either. Its ok. Them who? btw