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To: one_less who wrote (74664)	5/13/2010 5:57:21 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 149317

I don't see a danger to church and state in this any more than there was in the days of abolition, prison reform, women's rights: After 1840 "abolition" usually referred to positions like Garrison's; it was largely an ideological movement led by about 3000 people, including free blacks and people of color, many of whom, such as Frederick Douglass, and Robert Purvis and James Forten in Philadelphia, played prominent leadership roles. Abolitionism had a strong religious base including Quakers, and people converted by the revivalist fervor of the Second Great Awakening, led by Charles Finney in the North in the 1830s. Belief in abolition contributed to the breaking away of some small denominations, such as the Free Methodist Church. Evangelical abolitionists founded some colleges, most notably Bates College in Maine and Oberlin College in Ohio. The well-established colleges, such as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, generally opposed abolition,[citation needed] although the movement did attract such figures as Yale president Noah Porter and Harvard president Thomas Hill. In the North, most opponents of slavery supported other modernizing reform movements such as the temperance movement, public schooling, and prison- and asylum-building. They were split bitterly on the role of women's activism. Daniel O'Connell, the Roman Catholic leader of the Irish in Ireland, supported the abolition of slavery in the British Empire and in America. O'Connell had played a leading role in securing Catholic Emancipation (the removal of the civil and political disabilities of Roman Catholics in Great Britain and Ireland) and he was one of William Lloyd Garrison's models. Garrison recruited him to the cause of American abolitionism. O'Connell, the black abolitionist Charles Lenox Remond, and the temperance priest Theobald Mathew organized a petition with 60,000 signatures urging the Irish of the United States to support abolition. O'Connell also spoke in the United States for abolition. en.wikipedia.org ------------------ again, I don't see anything different than in any movement that naturally draws upon people of faith. the difference is... the rightwing of christondom has been predominant for decades and drowning out other voices, voices that feel strongly enough now to speak up. if the right thinks dealing with religious figures is a threat... huh? I'd be quite happy to drop "under god" from the daily saying, mostly because some loud rightie folks have attempted to make one particular god with their certain particular interpretations. the day is arriving that their power is perhaps waning. seriously... bringing up fondles??? it was an excellent smear campaign, but I simply am not all that into purity tests. if others which to participate in them, fine. oh, and I think NOW's days were over anyways. like that group for glbts that mostly just seems to raise money and smooze with the in-crowd now. like there was a reason for NAACP, but they simply aren't very relevant now. happens.