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To: Gib Bogle who wrote (73530)	5/16/2010 8:32:12 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Respond to of 74559

Haha.... you have to be kidding: <All this has been thought about deeply by highly able people - hence the discipline of welfare economics > So, what's the death rate for infants and children now after these brilliant exponents of intellect have done their job? What was the death rate before they started "thinking"? Heck, what's the death rate for everyone else too - such as the murder rate? You are perhaps old enough to recall a time when the murder rate in NZ was near zero. You make simplistic assumptions and leap to simplistic extremist conclusions. I also have a distaste for extremists such as the extreme socialists we now have in NZ in pandemic proportions. My experience is that socialists are extremists - there's never enough control for them. They want more, more, more.... Libertarians are moderate people who accept that extremist socialists run rampant in society. We Libertarians roll with it and do okay anyway because we can cope better with the socialist rules and imposts than the socialists can themselves. Your definition of extremist is obviously people who disagree with you. Have you actually read much, or any, of what Ayn Rand has written? Go on, tell me the depth of your study. My guess is that you are just doing the normal thing and claiming a position without actually knowing anything other than second hand simplistic misrepresentation. I admit I had not heard of her until only 15 years ago, long after my political ideologies had formed. And I have only read Atlas Shrugged which was loaned to me as something worth reading - it seemed a bit cartoon characterish, but I'm aliterate so perhaps it's a better novel than I thought. I'm not much interested in fiction and the ideas in it were not generally new to me. Mqurice

To: Gib Bogle who wrote (73530)	5/16/2010 8:32:17 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

hence the discipline of welfare economics haven't read much up on that. But BP is a good example of an entity that may have wandered off the straight and narrow. I like good safety discipline, and that includes making sure profits are safe too. Some concerns raised here. Message 26532194 Never mind if the stories true or not (I have my own suspicions) but imho BP should have already anticipated these stories, and made sufficient signals that if anything has been done wrong they really are truly sorry, and are going to impress us how they are going to change for the better. Have you seen any signs of remorse or willingness to change yet? There is talk of making more regulations. Big companies normally complain about too many regulations, now BP thinks they are a good idea?? Have they followed the current ones is my burning question. That needs answering from the CEO. He doesn't need to wait for any f*king investigation to find that answer out. The lawyers are probably advising of what can or cannot be said. This where executive decisions need to be made for the common good of the company. This is where executives earn their dough, or not earn their dough as the case may be. They seem to think everything is just wonderful so far, and "they know what they are doing"*. That is the impression I got from watching the press release video I posted earlier on this thread. I've had to deal with a few smug bastards in my time. Both companies and delinquent humans. BP does not look any better at the moment.