To: Solon who wrote (5242 ) 5/18/2010 12:13:38 PM From: Brumar89 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 Are Atheists and Theists Morally Equivalent? by Rich Deem Morality Among Atheists The rise of the "New Atheism" has led to the claim by its major proponents that atheism is morally superior to theism and that the world would be better off if the entire population were composed only of atheists. A new study raises doubts about that claim. Introduction Do people need God to be good? Daniel Dennett’s Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, Richard Dawkins’s The God Delusion, Chris Hedges’s American Fascists, Sam Harris’s Letter to a Christian Nation, and Christopher Hitchens’s God Is Not Great all claim that theism (and Christianity in particular) is morally inferior to atheism. Dawkins goes on to claim that religion is a form of child abuse that should not be taught to young children. However, a recent study by Reginald W. Bibby, Board of Governors Research Chair in the Department of Sociology at the University of Lethbridge, Canada, shows that atheists rate several moral values less important than theists do. Religion and moralityChristians are far more likely than atheists to be part of groups that work hard to instill values about being good to other people, and having good relationships. The teachings of the Bible emphasize values such as honesty, love, forgiveness, patience, and generosity. Many of these values are not emphasized in social circles dominated by atheists. Importance of moral valuesA survey of 1,600 Canadians asked them what were their beliefs about God and what moral values they considered to be "very important." The results of the survey are shown below: Moral Values of Theists vs. Atheists1 Moral Value Theists Atheists Honesty 94% 89% Kindness 88 75 Family life 88 65 Being loved 86 70 Friendship 85 74 Courtesy 81 71 Concern for others 82 63 Forgiveness 84 52 Politeness 77 65 Friendliness 79 66 Patience 72 39 Generosity 67 37 Amazing that a solid majority of atheists won't say that generosity and patience are very important values. And only 52% said that about forgiveness. Are atheists more likely to be selfish impatient grudge-bearing cranks? Although the differences between theists and atheists in the importance of values such as honesty, politeness, and friendliness are generally small, moral values emphasized by religious beliefs, such as Christianity, including patience, forgiveness, and generosity exhibit major differences in attitudes (30%+ differences between theists and atheists).Plus Christianity teaches that all men are sinners. Bearing that in mind makes it easier to forgive wrongs. People who believe in the humanist fallacy that people are inherently good, why should they be forgiving? People are supposed to be good, they think. What really concerns me is that only half of atheists think that forgiveness is very important. Either these people have not been married or maybe married multiple times, since a lack of forgiveness in a marriage is a sure recipe for disaster. Couple that moral belief with a perception that neither patience nor generosity are very important, and it seems that the divorce rates are likely to go up significantly in the near future.According to Professor Bibby, Grandma is the "symbolic saintly person in the clan. So valuing Grandma also means valuing many of the things important to her. In successive generations you have a lingering effect of morality. But further down the road generations get further removed from the sources of those values. That's where it gets tricky." 2I think this is something to consider. Many people retain much of their traditional religious based morals despite being secularized ..... basically for sentimental reasons - they were taught it in childhood by people they loved. That's why people often say you don't need to be religious to be "good" - defined as being somewhat moral. But how long can a sentimental attachment to moral values last? One generation, two, three? It seems logical to think it would decline over time. Will parents who aren't inspired by religious beliefs be as successful in instilling values they are attached to only based on childhood sentiment. 1. Conclusion Contrary to the claim of the "New Atheism," it seems that atheism leads to a decline in the perception of the importance of many personal moral values, especially those that have a big impact on interpersonal relationships. Since these new atheists are still being influenced by persons of traditional religious moral values, it seems likely that the importance of these values will diminish even further in the beliefs of the next generation of atheists. According to Reginald Bibby, the author of the study, "To the extent that Canadians say good-bye to God, we may find that we pay a significant social price."2 In addition, a recent scientific study shows that a certain atheistic belief (determinism or lack of free will) negatively impacts moral behavior.3godandscience.org 1. Good Without God, But Better With God? by Reginald W. Bibby reginaldbibby.com 2. Social virtues linked to faith: Decline in religion may bring decline in civility, study warns Charles Lewis, National Post. centerforinquiry.net 3. See Does Atheism (Determinism) Negatively Impact Morality?