To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (567830 ) 5/24/2010 12:17:19 PM From: one_less Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574005 I am not on the side of lawbreakers but at what point do we begin to recognize our approach is not getting the results it should. If such a monumental increase in incarceration resulted in monumental reduction in crime, with an increase in confidence among decent law abiding citizens, we could justify the effort and expense, even then it should be viewed as a temporary measure if used at all. I remember as a child wandering and playing out doors miles from home, returning home in time for the evening meal, and that was in a City, without this huge penal system. We have changed as a people. We are brutal, untrustworthy, and cynical about our own way of life and the systems we have built to protect it. A nation will be as great as the character of it's people; where there is a thin thread of shared cultural experience which stitches a society together through basic trusts. More laws and more jails do nothing to repair a rend in the fabric of common decency. -------------------- USA.... Illicit drugs world's largest consumer of cocaine (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Total crimes 11,877,218 [1st of 50] Assault victims 1.2% [11th of 20] Car thefts 1,246,096 [1st of 46] Drug offences 560.1 per 100,000 people [4th of 46] Executions 42 executions [5th of 22] Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms 39.5604 [7th of 32] Murders 16,204 [2nd of 49] Murders with firearms 9,369 [1st of 36] Perception of safety > Walking in dark 82% [2nd of 15] Police 941,139 [1st of 47] Prisoners 2,019,234 prisoners [1st of 168] Prisoners > Per capita 715 per 100,000 people [1st of 164] Rape victims 0.4% [13th of 20] Rapes 95,136 [1st of 50] Robberies 420,637 [2nd of 47] Software piracy rate 20% [107th of 107] Suicide rates in ages 15-24 13.7 per 100,000 people [7th of 17] Suicide rates in ages 25-34 15.3 per 100,000 people [10th of 17] Total crime victims 21.1% [15th of 20] SOURCES: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin; The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); Amnesty International; Wikipedia: Gun violence ; All CIA World Factbooks 18 December 2003 to 18 December 2008; UN International Crime Victims' Survey; The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); International Centre for Prison Studies - World Prison Brief; Fifth Annual BSA and IDC Global Software Piracy Study; GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3 nationmaster.com ------- It's not working Ten.