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To: KyrosL who wrote (63921)5/27/2010 6:58:38 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 218268
 
>>In prison, at least, they use cigarettes: If all else fails, they can smoke them.<<

After the federal prisons banned smoking, the inmates switched over to a fish-based currency... ;>)

Mackerel Economics in Prison Leads to Appreciation for Oily Fillets
Packs of Fish Catch On as Currency, Former Inmates Say; Officials Carp
online.wsj.com

snowshoe@oliveman.com



To: KyrosL who wrote (63921)5/27/2010 8:05:00 PM
From: benwood  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218268
 
"[Gold has gone up recently] simply because there have been more buyers than sellers."

What a colossally ignorant statement.



To: KyrosL who wrote (63921)5/27/2010 8:20:45 PM
From: TobagoJack2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218268
 
why do you not post arguments that are difficult to refute? instead of cake-walk stuff from no one in particular

<<Gold is volatile. It's hard to value. It generates no income>>

... those features are a part of gold's beauty.

<<Yes, it's a "hard asset," but so are lots of other things—like land, bags of rice, even bottled water>>

... is there a shortage of any relative to paper money? can they not plant n harvest, level and fill, or make more bottles?

<<It's a currency "substitute," but it's useless>>

... it only needs to ne more useful than paper money, and nothing else.

<<As for being a "store of value," anyone who bought gold in the late 1970s and held on lost nearly all their purchasing power over the next 20 years>>

... how is that different from paper money?

<<I get worried when I see people plunging heavily into gold at $1,200 an ounce. What if the price goes back to where it was just a few years ago, at $500 or $600 an ounce? Will you buy more? Sell?>>

... easy one. we buy much more, and on leverage.

<<Over that period the world has produced—or, more accurately, recovered—far more gold than anyone actually wanted to use. Since 2002, for example, total demand for gold from goldsmiths and jewelers, and dentists, and general industry, has come to about 22,500 tonnes>>

... so what, who cares, all mines can be shut down and all dentists can quit their profession.

<<But during the same period, more than 29,000 tonnes has come on to the market>>

... great, hoard more. can always do with more suplus capital and deal with still more excess savings.

<<... In a word, hoarding>>

aha, yes, he gets it.

what he does not believe is that folks who save in gold will do better than folks who save cash.

<<A Ponzi scheme>>

... all schema can be characterized as a ponzi scheme, such as but not limited to fiat money. the difference for gold is that one cannot print gold.

<<Yes, as I wrote earlier, gold may well be the next big bubble. And that may mean there is big money to be made in speculation.

But I don't trust it as an investment>>


... what does he trust as an investment? usd, euro, sovereign debt, tech shares, financial scripts, real estate with no redeeming features but a taxable address?

do tell.



To: KyrosL who wrote (63921)5/28/2010 2:53:06 AM
From: dybdahl  Respond to of 218268
 
There are a lot of chinese that would love owning something of gold, so even if the current production is above the "consumption", the article misses an estimate on future use.

Also, if some people have been digging a hole in order to put gold into it and guard it, it seems that the number of people who want to do exactly that, is increasing.

The idea in gold is not to increase purchasing power, but to have a universal currency in the case that the government fails. In countries where living inside a war is still in the memory of the living, they are willing to spend money on an insurance that may never pay out.

I think it is a great misunderstanding to believe, that the current buyers will sell it while they are alive. Many won't.



To: KyrosL who wrote (63921)5/28/2010 9:47:35 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Respond to of 218268
 
re: dybdahl response.. I would agree from personal experience that more folks are thinking about digging a hole to plant some gold... They know it will not grow but just are happy to know it will not evaporate :O)