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Politics : Evolution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (6435)	6/2/2010 1:42:24 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

<Not a tangential move.> Yes, it IS... as I said, it's beside the point. He and you are either WRONG about naturalism (which may be based on the link I provided) OR he's wrong to use the term in relation to Darwin, evolution, and God: <plausibility problems with Darwin’s theory.> <<It demands an initial acceptance of the doctrine of naturalism before any explanation is offered. >> NO it doesn't (preclude God; which you claim)... where is the explanation of THAT? Now, if there were someone using that quote that could actually DISCUSS what it means and exactly WHICH "problem with Darwins theory" there IS and WHICH "Darwin's theory"... (like neo Darwinism & random mutation for example) that WOULD be an interesting discussion. For example: <<he says that these were caused by the proximate method which nature would use, assuming that nature is the only creative force that exists….>> Ummmm, see link on God immanent... evolution IS creationism, unfolding. Soooo, basically what we see is REALITY NOT CONFORMING TO HIS GOD... not exclusion of god at all! In fact, Darwin doesn't even preclude creation by ANY God, all it says is "this also happens"... "we know evolution happens". Nothing about other "creation events". That said, THERE IS NO ONE HERE to discuss that with me... now is there!? So you can go merrily along and just take that piece as another reason in your head to perpetuate your beliefs (normal course for you) OR you can go learn enough to discuss these things. Good luck! DAK