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To: LLCF who wrote (7353)	6/14/2010 6:15:39 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

Mostly, Germany was a Christian Nation, although some of the people brought to the camps were Christians who would not conform to the “positive Christianity” of the new “Chosen People” of the bible which was started by Luther and finished by Hitler. The Jehovah’s refused to modify their particular brand of fanatical superstition and they paid for it with their lives (which is an argument for Truth according to greg or e and Brumstone!). The following were the targets of Christian Germany: Yellow: Jews -- two overlaid to form a Star of David, with the word "Jude" (Jew) inscribed Red: political dissidents, including communists Green: common criminals Purple: Jehovah's Witnesses Blue: immigrants Brown: Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) Black: Lesbians and "anti-socials" Pink: Gay men __________________ It should be understood that there are almost 40,000 "Christian“ sects and categories. “Nazi Christians” were of the sects known as “positive Christianity” or "Aryan Christianity”--mostly drawn from the Protestant category of Christian. Although the Jehovah’s were the only Christian group with a color category, it does not mean there were not other Christians murdered by Nazi Christians. But keep in mind that Hitler basically laid off the Catholics for two reasons: 1). He was nominally one himself (as was Goebbels and thousands of others), and 2). He could not afford to lose the Catholic support for his efforts. The Protestants were the basic foundation of the New Germany (with the “refinements” as noted)--so they were basically Nazi fighters and Camp Guards. Germany was a Christian Nation with what they perceived was a “Jewish problem”. Now the Jews were a tiny minority of Germany. The Christians either became Nazi Christians or they walked away from Christ entirely. Mostly they just refined their Christianity as Christians have done in thousands of categories. The first thing Hitler did was stamp out freethinker groups and also atheist groups. "In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership. The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members..." - The New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing atheistic and freethinking groups in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree So one thing you can be sure of: There were no freethinkers and no atheists running the camps. They either pretended to become one of Hitler's Christians or they were murdered. Hitler boasted as early as 1933 that he had stamped out atheism. He beheaded the Chairman of the Freethinker's League (who was also an atheist). The camps were run by Christians and they were carrying out a belief system that started long before the terrible anti-Semite and German hero, Martin Luther. nobeliefs.com Hitler’s “Old Fighters” were mostly Protestant (as Fahrenhorst (on the Planning Committee of the Luthertag) reminded Hitler). rationalresponders.com Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. - Adolf Hitler, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant. So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined to put an end to existing divisions, which are concerned only with the forms of organization, and to create a single Evangelical Church for the whole Reich. - Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5 Sept. 1934. We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. - Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933. We have not only brought thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are but milestones - Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message

To: LLCF who wrote (7353)	6/14/2010 6:39:44 PM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 69300

Hey DAK and Hey Pokonee! During this wonderful weekend in the woods canoeing and enjoying nature, I thought from time to time OF THE TIME I am wasting with the Village Idiots--particularly, Brumstone. His posts are basically lies and evasions until he is cornered, and then he generates new topics--primarily having as their subject his personal attacks against other thread members--or against great personages of history who were NOT Christians. As concerns his Christian faith, he refuses to discuss it in any way. When confronted with the absurdities of quoted scripture he goes, “yawn”. When confronted with the complete absence of science in quoted scripture (the place of science being filled by embarrassing superstitions), he goes, “sigh”. When confronted with the genocide, infanticide, rape, incest, racism, slavery, and butchery in the bible--he questions the sexuality of Aristotle or Jefferson or some other great man. Any attempt to engage him in any sincere debate results in insults or evasions--or attempts to misrepresent the thread on some issue or mislead the reading public. When he is cornered, and posts are methodically logged to prove he is cornered--and to prove he is a liar and a fraud and that he conducts all his postings in a manner and to the purpose of deliberate deceit--he simply squirms and twists and turns and runs and dodges while flinging meaningless insults and attacks against thread members, as well as total strangers. He responds to everything in such an infantile manner that good conscience, self respect, and duty to personal value eventually compels one to consider whether it is sensible to steal time from decent people and joyous life only to have it wasted by the indigestion of a veritable child--knowing full well that he is ineducable--and that no moral advantage will attach to his life regardless of what sincere attempts are given to instructing his mind and uplifting his spirit. Therefore, I have decided to respond to his posts to me with valuable paragraphs or writings from great thinkers (usually freethinkers!) such as Ingersoll, Rand, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Jefferson, Paine, etc. In that fashion, I remove myself from the extremely putrid and infantile environment in which he lives and moves and has his being--and I take the high road of learning and sharing worthwhile and valuable lessons from great and mature people. Feel free to post to either of them, of course. I am simply giving you a heads up as to my reasoning for not wasting any more time on intellectual riff raff and moral abnormalities. You might find it is a waste of your good time and person as well. In 3D I would give such a person a severe beating and escort him to the edge of town. The best thing that can be done here (considering that he has no intention of engaging in honest or moral discussion and argument) is to simply post great ideas from great freethinkers and ignore his sexual fantasies and obsessions. Who has time for that crap?!