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To: cirrus who wrote (81254)	6/12/2010 10:10:19 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

Hi, This post of yours sounds like the AGW deniers that finally realized there has been natural heating and cooling cycles throughout geologic history.. So if the Earth goes through it, don't worry about piling on the heat with human activity.. Put on an extra electric blanket on your bed in the summer time.. Until one dies of heat exhaustion and dehydration.. But back to your post and pictures of natural hydrocarbon leaks and seeps.. JUST BECAUSE there are natural oil seeps in the Gulf of a barrel or two or 10 or even more per day, we, humans, can POUR ON another 50-100 barrels thousands per day with no thought of the consequences.. BTW, I saw no oiled up coast lines, marshes or beaches on your pics.. And I NEVER heard of the same last year or the prior 50 years that I know of before the BP spill Jeesus, I saw the same rational on the MOST CRAZY, RW NUTZ threads on SI about natural leaks.. Doesn't even the most simple people understand the DIFFERENCE because of concentrations? I get so disappointed and depressed most of the time with most people, I just have to tune them out.. Ignorance has never set well with me and has cost me friends but I don't care as I don't like to be around ignorant people whether they are that way, willfully or not.. And so I just go hiking, walking, gardening, watching baseball, listening to music, etc. and maybe even going to Costco once a month, like we did today..:) BTW, WE have a BUNCH of energy CREDITS, we have SAVED up to do the above.. I should say, RELATIVELY speaking compared to most. I would guess.. Again, BTW, did you see or HEAR of any oil saturated marine and shore life, spoiled beaches or f'd up marches in 2009, like we see now from the BP oil spill ?..

To: cirrus who wrote (81254)	6/13/2010 2:08:31 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

The President’s Moment _______________________________________________________________ Lead Editorial The New York Times June 11, 2010 If ever there was a test of President Obama’s vision of government — one that cannot solve all problems, but does what people cannot do for themselves — it is this nerve-racking early summer of 2010, with oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico and far too many Americans out of work for far too long. The country is frustrated and apprehensive and still waiting for Mr. Obama to put his vision into action. The president cannot plug the leak or magically clean up the fouled Gulf of Mexico. But he and his administration need to do a lot more to show they are on top of this mess, and not perpetually behind the curve. It is well within Mr. Obama’s power to keep his administration and Congressional Democrats focused on what the economy needs: jobs and stimulus. Voters are anxious about the deficit. But the president needs to tell them the truth — that without more spending the economy could remain weak for a very long time. Unless Mr. Obama says it, no other politician will. Just the other day, the House passed an unemployment benefits extension from which Democrats, not Republicans, had stripped vital measures that would have helped lots of Americans, but did not close a tax loophole for billionaires. Americans need to know that Mr. Obama, whose coolness can seem like detachment, is engaged. This is not a mere question of presentation or stagecraft, although the White House could do better at both. (We cringed when he told the “Today” show that he had spent important time figuring out “whose ass to kick” about the spill. Everyone knew that answer on Day 2.) Any assessment of the 44th president has to start with the fact that he took office under an extraordinary burden of problems created by President George W. Bush’s ineptness and blind ideology. He has faced a stone wall of Republican opposition. And Mr. Obama has had real successes. He won a stimulus bill that helped avert a depression; he got a historic health care reform through Congress; the bitter memory of Mr. Bush’s presidency is fading around the world. But a year and a half into this presidency, the contemplative nature that was so appealing in a candidate can seem indecisive in a president. His promise of bipartisanship seems naïve. His inclination to hold back, then ride to the rescue, has sometimes made problems worse. It certainly should not have taken days for Mr. Obama to get publicly involved in the oil spill, or even longer for his administration to start putting the heat on BP for its inadequate response and failure to inform the public about the size of the spill. (Each day, it seems, brings new revelations about the scope of the disaster.) It took too long for Mr. Obama to say that the Coast Guard and not BP was in charge of operations in the gulf and it’s still not clear that is true. He should not have hesitated to suspend the expanded oil drilling program and he should have moved a lot faster to begin political and criminal investigations of the spill. If BP was withholding information, failing to cooperate or not providing the ships needed to process the oil now flowing to the surface, he should have told the American people and the world. These are matters of competence and leadership. This is a time for Mr. Obama to decisively show both.

To: cirrus who wrote (81254)	6/14/2010 2:21:26 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

Congress blames BP's effort to save money for Gulf oil leak miamiherald.com By Erika Bolstad McClatchy Newspapers Posted on Monday, 06.14.10 WASHINGTON — BP knew its Macondo well was troublesome in the days leading up to a fatal April 20 blowout, congressional investigators found, but the company "appears to have made multiple decisions for economic reasons that increased the danger of a catastrophic well failure." Beginning with the company's uncommon well design, to its fatal decision not to circulate drilling mud that could have cleared out pockets of gas and the lack of critical testing that could have pinpointed problems with its cementing, the company had many points where it could have prevented an explosion, investigators with the House Energy and Commerce Committee found. Instead, though, the company violated industry guidelines and proceeded "despite warnings from BP's own personnel and its contractors," said the chairman of the committee, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and the chairman of the investigative subcommittee that handled the probe, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich. Those decisions led to 11 deaths and the worst oil spill in U.S. history, and will continue to have an effect on the environment and even the future of offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the two wrote in a letter to BP CEO Tony Hayward. “Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense,” they wrote. “If this is what happened, BP’s carelessness and complacency have inflicted a heavy toll on the Gulf, its inhabitants, and the workers on the rig.” The committee will ask Hayward to address their findings Thursday, when they examine some of the root causes of the accident. The day before, Hayward is set to meet with President Barack Obama. Tuesday, top executives with ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Shell as well as BP will face the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee. The grilling is expected to put the companies in the position of distinguishing their own safety practices from BP’s. It is the first time the executives have appeared together since Congress probed high gas prices in 2008.