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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: FJB who wrote (85951)	6/15/2010 11:45:09 PM
From: Hawkmoon	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224777

"The total flow out of this thing is pretty impressive. This is a wicked formation," said physical oceanographer Ian MacDonald of Florida State University. "The gas is what they can't control, what they couldn't control, what drove the explosion and killed all the people. That's the power behind this dragon." It's more than just impressive.. From my readings, it would appear THEY KNEW this formation had incredible pressures of up to 15,000-30,000 psi in the center. They knew it was high-pressure, but were trying to tap in along the periphery where they thought the pressures might be lower. pesn.com madmikesamerica.com ritholtz.com Someone's been lying, and I don't think it's just BP.. So now we have him trying to make "lemonade" out of this bunch of sour lemons in attempting to get his "Cap and Trade" scam passed. Hawk

To: FJB who wrote (85951)	6/16/2010 9:08:44 AM
From: HPilot	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224777

They can plug the hole. Just drill a well a small distance away below any concrete poured around the casing. Insert bomb, and BAM, the bomb will collapse the casing with tons of dirt to hold it closed. It may take a lot of explosives to do it right but I think it should work.

To: FJB who wrote (85951)	6/17/2010 6:42:01 AM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 224777

Cap-And-Trick Energy Policy: Odumbama says the oil disaster proves the need to get off fossil fuels. But before we save the planet, let's save the Gulf and stop exploiting crises to deny America the energy it needs. Saving the planet is nice, but just how do we plug the hole again? With an abundance of hand gestures, Odumbama didn't really say in his speech Tuesday night. He did say fossil fuels were bad and green energy is good, but the people of the Gulf states don't need wind turbines right now. Contrary to Odumbama's assertions, our "addiction" to foreign oil no more caused the Deepwater Horizon oil spill than any addiction to nuclear energy caused the reactor accident at Three Mile Island. If we're addicted to anything, it's energy in all its forms. We also are addicted to jobs and economic growth, and nothing in the speech offered either. Instead we were told we have to forgo fossil fuels because they're dangerous — the same reason given after TMI to stop expanding clean and safe nuclear energy. Never mind the dead zones for aquatic life in the Gulf of Mexico caused by agricultural runoff from the accelerated farming of corn to feed the mandated use of ethanol. Never mind the rain forests cleared worldwide to grow biofuel crops. Or the birds that will never be soaked in oil because they've been sliced and diced by wind turbines. The irony is that if the incident at Three Mile Island had not similarly been exploited by environmentalists, we might not be so dependent on fossil fuels today. We'd have electricity for all those electric cars as billions of tons of carbon dioxide never entered the atmosphere. The desire to make BP pay for the direct damage of the oil spill is understandable. The desire to exploit this crisis to make us all pay is not. Odumbama noted that "the House of Representatives acted on these principles by passing a strong and comprehensive energy and climate bill — a bill that finally makes clean energy the profitable kind of energy for America's businesses." Horsefeathers. The imposition of renewable energy standards, as cap-and-trade is now called, would raise electricity prices, lower GDP and eliminate jobs. The only thing that wouldn't be capped is the Deepwater Horizon well. If Odumbama's argument is that the Gulf oil disaster is traceable to our reliance on foreign oil, let's exploit our vast domestic resources. If the argument is that BP went too far and too deep, that its reach exceeded its grasp, then it's the administration and its green allies that forced them to do so. BP didn't lock up our resources in shallow water and on dry land, in ANWR, the Outer Continental Shelf, or the oil and natural gas present in our abundant shale deposits. The company is not responsible for the job-killing offshore drilling moratorium now affecting even shallow-water drilling. Even experts hired by the Interior Department said it was a bad idea that did nothing to improve safety. It's simply not true, as Odumbama insisted, that "oil companies are drilling a mile beneath the surface of the ocean because we're running out of places to drill on land and in shallow water." There's plenty of oil in these places. We just won't let them get it. Alaska's Chukchi Sea holds more oil and gas than anyone thought — 1,600 trillion cubic feet of undeveloped natural gas, or 30% of the world's supply, and 83 billion barrels of undeveloped oil, 4% of the estimated global resources. If BP and others weren't barred from drilling in ANWR or the shallower water off the Outer Continental Shelf, we might not be having this conversation. Out West, we may have what could be called a "Persia on the Plains." A Rand Corp. study says the Green River Formation, which covers parts of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, has the largest known oil shale deposits in the world, holding from 1.5 trillion to 1.8 trillion barrels of crude. It's all on dry land, but it too is locked up by federal edict. The Exxon Valdez disaster of 1979 was caused by a tanker running aground because environmentalists wouldn't allow a pipeline to be built all the way to the lower 48 states on dry land. That was only the 40th-largest tanker spill on record, according to the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayward. There hasn't been an offshore oil platform spill in U.S. waters in 40 years, and last year's Montana spill in the Timor Sea near Indonesia was the first such spill anywhere in the world in over two decades. Meanwhile, Cuba, with Russian and Chinese help, is drilling for oil 100 miles off the south coast of Florida. Mexico, whose 1979 Ixtoc 1 spill spewed 460,000 tons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico, continues offshore drilling and exploration. Venezuela and Brazil are both expanding their offshore exploration and production in deep water. Brazil will be only too happy to pick up our slack. It's embarking on a five-year, $220-billion plan to tap oil fields even deeper than Deepwater Horizon. Many of the estimated 35 rigs now idled in the Gulf will likely soon by gobbled by Brazil's state oil company, Petrobras. Petrobras said in its 2009 business plan that it would lease eight more deep-water rigs this year and a total of 14 in 2011 and 2012. By 2013 it will be receiving the first of 28 new rigs to be built in Brazilian shipyards, raising Brazil's fleet of deep-water rigs to 60 by 2017. Why isn't Brazil worried about its pristine beaches and tourism or saving the planet? Maybe they're more worried about jobs.