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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (258499)	7/4/2010 4:09:00 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

You've thoroughly demonstrated that your knowledge of today's China is sorrily lacking. I'm glad I live here and not there, but, they've come a long, long way since Mao. Let the internet be your friend. Take a virtual China tour. Get on some Chinese chat boards and talk to some Chinese. virtual-china.org chinalyst.net kiku.com chinavista.com

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (258499)	7/4/2010 4:12:11 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

>there are many ways to force people to do things - like make sure they don't have a living back on their farms.> What is forcing people not to have a living back on their farms? I see few reasons: 1. Colonization in 16th to 19th century resulted in great farm lands being captured by the empire builders in Americas, Soviet republics, South Africa. These resulted in very large farms that have economies of scale allowing them to produce at very low rates. 2. Petroleum based fertilizers increased yields to the point that developed world farms were producing excess grains. The farm subsidies in developed countries ensure that the prices do not fall further, saving western world farmers. 3. Petroleum based transportation reduced cost of shipments so much that small farmers in the third world cannot compete with developed country farmers. That means they have to go broke, surrender their lands (have you heard of farmer suicides in India?), and move to the cities to look for jobs. 4. And the world currency power flows from the western world to urban centers in the rest of the world and ultimately to the villages in the third world. In order to acquire their national currency, the villager in third world has to either sell his goods cheaply to the urban citizen (farming is a commodity profession), or send one or more members of their family to the city to work and get currency that is flowing more easily there. Similar imbalance makes third world educated to become part of outsourced operations or become immigrants to the developed world. If you are suggesting that this is because of globalization, bankers, and corporations, it may not be entirely incorrect. India was colonized by one of the earliest and most successful corporations in the world (British East India Company). en.wikipedia.org. -Arun