To: Solon who wrote (8415 ) 7/15/2010 2:04:11 AM From: Greg or e 1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 “you have already stated that the only reason that you would object to it is because it is currently illegal“ "Of course, you could show me a post where I claimed what you are alleging?" Yes, I could. "I supported the RIGHT of all people to engage in any sexual acts they chose to PROVIDED it was legal "Message 26624998 .............................there is far more compelling documentary evidence supporting the biblical accounts than there are for any ancient Greek manuscripts, and yet you accept them without batting an eye. "There is documentary evidence that Adam and Eve..." A very typically shallow and irrelevant response. Hurtado on historical scholarshiptriablogue.blogspot.com I’m not sure what Steven Carr would count as evidence. He asks for signed affidavits of first century people, but that’s not available for anyone from antiquity, Julius Caesar, anyone. So, what do historians usually work with? Well, texts of first-century provenance that appear to posit personages as real people. So, e.g., in the Gospel accounts we have a number of named figures, without any other introduction, which would suggest that the authors expected their readers to recognize the figures. Technically, of course, this suggests only that they were known names/figures, which could still allow for them being fictional-but-already-accepted figures at the date of writing. In the case of Simon of Cyrene, Mark’s gospel identifies him as “the father of Alexander and Rufus” (Mark 15:21), again without further introduction, which most scholars have taken as alluding to two guys known to the original readers. We have a Rufus mentioned in Romans 16:13, for example, whom some suggest could be the same guy mentioned in Mark. With all due allowance for the growth of legend etc., we should recall that people often speculated that Pontius Pilate was a fictional character too, until the inscription mentioning him turned up in Caesarea Maritima in the 60s.