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To: JohnM who wrote (140843)	7/14/2010 7:57:38 PM
From: Paul Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543106

One way to read the present campaign against public workers is as an entrenched attack on the middle class. Ummmm,....no. Taxing the undefined rich at a higher rate will not raise enough money to fix the mess that has been created by promising too much to public workers with low retirement ages and fat pensions combined with job security. Everybody's taxes will need to go up in combination with spending cuts. The taxes on the undefined rich will go up but the taxes on the middle class will also go up. So the attack on the middle class is actually a government spending attack which shrinks the paychecks of the middle class by increasing their taxes......all to let government "workers" have total job security and benefits that others don't have. This fantasy that everything can solved by just increasing taxes on the rich is not credible. Did you read what radical California Republican Willie Brown has concluded? Here is the link- Message 26683061

To: JohnM who wrote (140843)	7/14/2010 9:25:37 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543106

John; Yglesias If you privatize schools, the inequalities we now have in the system only get worse; Privatizing schools creates inequalities? Privatizing garbage service makes more inequalities? So I looked up Yglesias as you suggested and barely started before I ran into a mention of Krugman; Meanwhile, I think Paul Krugman, Brad DeLong (and again), and Tyler Cowen are really all saying the same thing about the prospects for re-inflating the economy by printing money and dropping it from helicopters. Well sure if you stop the need to work and start dropping money from helicopters then we will all be equal I suppose. Except for someone will be able to pick up dollars faster than the old and feeble! You are urging an extreme idea of socialism - not like the socialistic States of Scandinavia but way more socialistic yet. I don't care who picks up my garbage; the government or a company but no way does one create more equality than the other. If you get your electricity from a private company there is more inequity than if you buy it from a PUD? ..........Now if you are saying take from the rich to pay the poor persons electrical needs - then booo hiss! There is nothing equitable about that at all. Hard woork and ambition needs to have a reward. There is also nothing capitalistic about what you suggest and it is guaranteed built in failure. The poor will waste the electricity - because it is subsidized.