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To: koan who wrote (82377)7/30/2010 4:25:57 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
 
you don't get it, Obama wants a depression he wants the country to fail. He wants to end capitalism here. Listen to his buddy Van Jones 'we want to change the whole system, not to put new batteries in the old one'

time for you to wake up Koan

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To: koan who wrote (82377)7/30/2010 6:20:09 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
I am not getting on the dems!! Few liberal are. We are only questioning Obama. And it is the independents that are fleeing the Obama ship like rats. The vast majority of the liberals like me are holding fast. All polls show that.

Its unbelievable to me how you don't get what's going on. Obama ratings are holding up much better than the Dems.

And the independents are not deserting Obama because of what any liberals are saying. They are doing it because Obama has made mistakes like going after health care in 09 when he was looking right in the face of a second depression!

And you and the rest of your liberal cohort would have screamed bloody murder. In fact, back then, you told me that when health care passed, Obama's ratings would bounce right up. I told you they wouldn't and they didn't. And the reason you didn't get that right is because you don't have a clue what's going on.

He should have addressed the depression full bore with the best advisers like Volker, Krugman and stiglitz instead of marginalizing them.

For the love of God, he barely got the smaller package through Congress. I watched as Pelosi scrunged to get the necessary votes. I think it failed the first couple of times. How can you not remember?

Besides, the recovery is happening albeit slower than everyone wants. And the truth is no matter how much you juice up a patient with drugs, there is a natural process that needs to be followed. Because the damage was so severe, the natural process is taking much longer than we are accustomed.

People vote their pocket books and when they are worried about jobs nothing else matters. That is a matter of statistical verification which Ezra Kline presented last week. Kline said they can predict is within 2% uncertainty or something like that. A very high correlation.

That's why you sing Obama and the Dems praises from every roof top. This is no time to be an ideologue spouting platitudes about principle as if you are doing God's work. You can't eat principle. The Rs would never have done this to Bush and he was the worst president in 50 years. UGH!

Had Obama addressed the depression right off the bat as his cabinet had advised him, and had Obama listened to Volker, Krugman and stiglitz (who said the stimulus was too small and the rescue of the banks should have been run through main street instead of giving money directly to the banks) instead of those two idiots Summers and Geightner, the dems would not be in the trouble they are in.

OMG, you are nuts. You are the enemy; not the Rs.

What the liberals say or do not say, has nothing at all to do with the desertion of the moderates/independents. Nothing at all.

Yes, it does. They hear your squawking and have to conclude that things must be very bad. You have no clue about human nature. Your nonsense makes me tired. You would cut off your nose to spite your face. Dude, you are not taking me down with you.

Look at the response you got from shortie, benedict. You are playing right into their hands, Mr. Arnold.



To: koan who wrote (82377)7/31/2010 2:48:12 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 89467
 
Robber says he did it to go back to prison

By Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published July 30, 2010 at 10:27 p.m., updated July 31, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.

Peter Barry Lawrence pointed a BB gun at a bank teller and was surprised at the amount of bravado that surged through him. He threatened to shoot anyone who followed him out.

“I felt like Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson,” he said. “There was a sudden rush of adrenaline.”

Lawrence, 71, made his getaway in his wheelchair, with $2,000 in cash on his lap. He was headed back to his rented room at the nearby San Diego Downtown Lodge, but he took a meandering route down Seventh Avenue until the police caught up with him five minutes later.

And just like that, the rush was over. But that was all part of the plan.

The way Lawrence tells it, Monday’s robbery of a Chase Bank was just a desperate ploy to get back behind bars, where he believes he will receive better medical care than he has been able to obtain on his own.

“In my opinion, freedom isn’t any good if you can’t sustain yourself on the outside,” Lawrence said during a jailhouse interview Friday.

He pleaded not guilty to the crime in court Wednesday, but said he hopes to plead guilty soon and put the whole thing behind him.

Seeking out treatment for diabetes, colon cancer, Parkinson’s disease, gout, heart disease and glaucoma has just become too much for him to handle on his own, he said.


He’s been surviving on $949 a month from Social Security and other government benefits, and has been getting his health care for free via Medicare and Medi-Cal.

“It got to be harder and harder to get to the doctor in a wheelchair, using the bus and trolley,” Lawrence said. “I got to the point where I stopped going. I said, ‘Heck with it. Let nature take its course.’ My quality of life was gone.”

Marilyn Holle, an attorney for Disability Rights California, said Lawrence’s story is a telling example of the health care system many face.

“There’s a lack of stable housing and a lack of case management,” said Holle, who is based in Los Angeles. “It’s not only about getting someone the treatment, but getting them to and from. And without stable housing, you’re not going to be able to get the services you need.”

Holle said she can see the attraction of prison health care for some.

“You’ve got a place to live and ... a prison system providing nursing facility-type care,” she said. “And you live in a community.”

That comfort is what Lawrence is counting on, having served three previous stints in federal prison.

He spent about eight months in Lompoc federal prison on a 1998 bank robbery conviction, and later spent another couple of months at a federal facility in Sheridan, Ore., after being caught for attempted bank robbery in 1999. A few weeks of that sentence were also spent in a hospital for an abscess, he said.

He was also sentenced to another few months in a Victorville federal prison for violating parole.

“I’m better off here,” Lawrence said, despite describing life behind bars as “primitive.”

But this time, Lawrence will likely be sentenced to state prison, because the District Attorney’s Office is prosecuting his latest bank robbery case.

Medical care in California’s prison system has been undergoing changes ever since a federal court ruled in 2002 that the state of the health care program was essentially cruel and unusual punishment under the U.S. Constitution.

Lawrence will possibly be one of the beneficiaries of those changes, Holle said.

According to the state, the annual medical-care costs per prisoner averages about $8,600, although some inmates on life-support cost as high as $2 million each a year.

Lawrence said the chance to get housed in a federal facility versus a state prison factored into his choice of crime, because the U.S. Attorney’s Office often prosecutes bank robberies.

In his previous robberies, Lawrence relied on threats of violence. Monday’s robbery was the first time he’d used a gun, he said.

At the suggestion of sheriff’s deputies, Lawrence said he has written a letter of apology to the male teller he targeted. In it, he recalled his own experience when, as a taxi driver, he was held at gunpoint by a drug dealer years ago.

“I was scared to death, so I know what the teller went through,” he said.

Lawrence said he spent most of his life as an honest, hard-working citizen, living in Arizona before he moved to Southern California. He drove taxis, buses and shuttles for several years. The gout and other problems with his feet put an end to that 14 years ago, and he hasn’t worked since.

“I’ve been well taken care of,” he said of his prison experience. “I don’t plan to leave prison alive. I feel relieved and glad it’s over.”

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