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To: STOCKaHOLIC who wrote (7266)11/8/1997 12:58:00 PM
From: AlienTech  Respond to of 11057
 
Edit, steve already posted here.. Thought he never left his desk :) oh well its good reading twice anyway..

To: +Roy Travis (1614 )
From: +steve goldman Saturday, Nov 8 1997 8:25AM EST
Reply #1616 of 1619

Anything I might state below is in NO WAY a recommendation of this stock,etc. It has toubles and will probably have them for a time being. I am using them as a way of presenting my analysis for review.

I bought more. This sounds kind of simplistic and patronistic but my philosophy for my long term porfolio is to buy quality companies when they are down and sell them when they are up. I won't buy companies with management problems, legal problems, restatements, leveraged balance sheets, bad cash flow, etc.

Nonetheless, in a market like this, people's sentiment has begun to change from go-go momentum bullishness to somewhat pessimistic. People would rather hold cash right now than stock. Think to yourself, would you rather hold that position in xyza or cash? You have to be a bit reasoned, a $60 stock that corrects $5bucks when the market falls from 8400 to 8200 is not a bargain, is not enough of a slip to buy it. Nonetheless, on news, the stock market goes to extremes. On news they will punish a stock severly. SOMETIMES, not everytime, there is an opportunity to buy a top notch company, a market leader, when emotions and a amplifying bad market bring it down severely. Nonetheless, when you bottom fish for quality you have to have the stomach to see it go lower.

Typically, for shorter term trades, I never buy on the first bounce, more likely on the third if the stock meets my criteria. Wall street has a certain rhythm that doesnot sway every time, but more times than not. Sellers know they can't liquidate the whole thing that day. Buyers know the stock will get over done. Buyers come in and bounce the stock. Sellers comes back in and depress it. This will go on for atime and one or two pops to the upside might be needed to finally get all the sellers gone. By that time the sellers should be cleaned up a a bit and the stock should now be in stronger hands willing to acept the current conditiions.

Another thing I look at is the number of shares that traded down on the bad day. Today for example, I think about 9% of the company changed hands, yet the stock fell 25%. 91% of the shares did nothing. As well, this company happens to have a good reputation on wall street and is widely held by institutions. These companies are not fools. They know that if they all started selling, they would be crushing each other. In fact, I thought the stock hung in there pretty well. Any other stock that gets is numbers blasted from .83 estimated to 20/30 would normall fall from about 30 to 12.

You have to run the analysis as to why the earnings got cut. Unit shipments will actually be up. Computer sales are plugging along and hard drives will be needed regadless of pricing pressures. This leads me to the most important factor in my making a decision, the management of the company. Good management gets the job done. Good management takes a company from 200million in sales to 5 billion per year in a few years. and good management usually can see you through pricing wars etc. through consolidation, reduced cost structure, etc.

In the end, it is a gamble like any other. The question becomes which companies you feel like owning. I pesonally like owning quality companies with good balances sheets with good earneings, albeit reduced, that have gotten knocked around already.

On the downside, technology is very volatile and the company has it one year, starts to lose it the next and then by the time they recover the people who paid 50 and 60 never get out, the stock only moves back to 40. ....who knows....if the stock market were easy, everybody would be good at it. That is not the case.

What do you do with an analysis like this? First off, don't rely on it. Never take somebody else's work as your own. You are better than that. Take it, break it down, break it down, tear it apart, tear it apart, and see what parts you disagree with. If you agree with the reasoning apply the logic to stocks you own and see if they fit. If so you should be comfortable owning the companies. If not, they you should say goodbye to them.

Regards,
steve@yamner.com




To: STOCKaHOLIC who wrote (7266)11/8/1997 1:00:00 PM
From: AlienTech  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 11057
 
>>Steve, I was tempted a few times to buy some WDC Friday. A few things are kept (and keeping) me from jumping in. First, take a look at Quantum. It took a 15% hit in sympathy. I would be really pissed if I was long QTNM Thursday night. I also believe they will be warning in the near future<<

QNTM already made a press release stating they were comfortable with estimates and WDC is exagerating things. But things are bad in the sub 2 gig category and QNTM does not actively compete in that area.



To: STOCKaHOLIC who wrote (7266)11/8/1997 1:23:00 PM
From: Brian B. Cole  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 11057
 
I am long Quantum and WDC..
Yes, I am pissed about Quantum getrting clobbered on friday.
Quantum will not warn of a shortfall this quarter. They stated at
their cc that they were very comfortable with their estimates.
I am and will be buying more Quantum on monday.
Wdc is facing severe pressure in the low end drives(less than 2.00 gig). Quantum does not participate in the low end..
Quantum is making most of their profit off of DLT technology.
I believe that WDC will rebound from this situation. Actually, after
listening to Andy Grove of Intel on friday. It becomes clear that
When CPQ and others switched to BTO it left a backlog of components at many suppliers(including INTEL and WDC).
Once the excess is cleared out of the channels, WDC should
become more profitable. This BTO is a transition which has
affected many companies. As long as WDC adapts to this,they
will remain a solid company.



To: STOCKaHOLIC who wrote (7266)11/8/1997 10:21:00 PM
From: steve goldman  Respond to of 11057
 
There are so many different philosphies to investing. Forget trading, because a trader trading their trading portfolio would never take home stock, or atleast shouldnt. Nonethelless, as an investor who might have cash and trying to get some of into the market you have to decide what stocks you want to own, given the current environment.
Personally, I am pretty glad that WDC got knocked down because I thought it looked attractive at around 30ish or so and am glad that I have just started to accumulate it. You dont get that many chances to buy good companies when they are cheap. Sure hindisight is the best of all but it doesn't help you get into stocks.

Nonetheless, you have to chose a point at which you will start to want to own a company and then set a plan for buying into it. If you are unsure of the market enviroment, consider dollar cost averaging in, or averaging in. Buy xx thousand of dollars each week for the next xx weeks or buy xx shares each week for xx weeks. Ultimatley, if you think WDC is going to 9 then don't do either, short the stock. But then I think you misunderstand the respect the company has on wall street. They are a high caliber company who's performance is enhanced by great management. As I said, some people said sell the heck out of INTC when it was 50 (presplit) and CYRX and AMD has the killer chip, mmx was no good, p2 was too far down the line, and the bug of the year was messing up floating point mathematics. Quality stock, quality company, better management. Lead the company through its rough times....stock is 150 now (presplit). Don't get me wrong WDC is no INTC. but is no Fore, Xyln, RMBS or other totally overvalued, hyped company around.

Value oriented mutual funds that pick stocks bottom up will still be all over WDC as they havent had that many chances to buy such stocks in the past 12 months. Some are coming back, but many are crap, with no balance sheets and no management, stocks that ran simply on hype. They many never recover.

What can I say, I am a bottom fisher when it comes to buying long term stuff. I like buying them cheap and selling them higher. Some like buying them high and selling them higher. IN such a market, I get chills thinking about owning a Dell or MSFT. LEts put it this way, you could probably feel pretty secure that you have seen the last 6 point slide for WDC until it gets back above 30. But then you never know which is why you can make abd lose more in the stock market than you can on a 6mo. tbill

Long or short, good luck to all...shorts...don't wait for the last dollar. the same theory as I would have tried to impress to the person who paid 20 and didnt sell at 60...dont be a pig..you wont get the last dollar, you never do.

As far as waiting for the DD's to get chopped, I think that you could say that WDC news was the same as if QNTm said it themselves. I would assume most money managers believe that as well. As well, I think Qntm had previously stated they felt comfortable with earnings but that might have been last quarter after seg but before the last wdc smacking.

Gosh, this is a great business.

Oh yeah, the break it down, break it down...just a like pun on David Faber from cnbc, if you all watch that show regularly. Maybe a pun more appopriate for the trading desk thread but then I think this group is pretty sharp and might have picked up on it.

Regards
steve@yamner.com