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To: Paul Smith who wrote (142178)	8/8/2010 10:06:36 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540856

I do not see it the way you see it. Whether it was a democrat or a republican I would find that unacceptable. Your excuses don't work for me. A white person referring to a select black man as an "N" because they hate him is NOT the same thing as black people using it with each other. The first is a racial slur, the other usage is black people co-opting the racist terminology and using it in a way to promote solidarity with each other. I happen to think using the "N" word is problematic for blacks because it obviously confuses some white people- like yourself- in to thinking it is somehow being used like an epithet, or in come selective way- but it's really about defense, and imo it's a generic defensive reaction. If a black man calls you "whitey", or whatever you are, because he hates you, you think his "selectivity" in hating just you, and calling just you whitey, makes it not racist? I can't imagine how you parse that. Racial epithets are solid evidence of a racial way of thinking- and are the bedrock of racism.

To: Paul Smith who wrote (142178)	8/8/2010 10:58:00 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540856

Paul I once was the only WHITE person in a YWCA chosen because I had an understanding of what it was like to be different. THE Y wanted to integrate the BLACK YWCA with the WHITE and not have two separate buildings. This was back before you were born. I don't think anyone who was not part of that period can really know what racism in this country was like. I am comfortable with Black people which sounds like nothing now but back then it was really something. I was not the director. I was the CO DIRECTOR with a black woman. She used to say to me.................integration ML. That is when the whites say the blacks can come in but then they whites leave. I could not even invite her to my apt. which at the time I was sharing with a woman from Oklahoma who forbid me to have a black person in the house. Let me tell you that in my rearing I was not allowed to have Jewish friends. I was not exposed to black people and I grew up in a community where I was immune to both. WASP was the name that my ilk were called. WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT... Isn't it strange then that having been reared in such a protective discriminatory environment that I grew up to integrate a summer camp going to Spellman and Clark colleges in the South to recruit professional staff.Previous to professional the blacks were cooks and station wagon drivers... By the way these women worked in the camp for three years and Mary Yvonne Early who was one of them later went to the University of Georgia where she was hit with rotten eggs and tomatoes and called all kinds of names.... and later to Interlaken to get her PHD. She attributed it all to the knowledge she gleaned of WHITE PEOPLE at the summer camp. I am proud of that. The rest of my life I spent working 21 years with almost all Jewish people. AND to think my father would not allow my Jewish boy friend who stopped by my home to drive me back to college to come into the house. Do you even know what prejudice is. Have you worked for the Civil Rights Movement. Did you go to Washington D.C to protest the Vietnam war or march with Martin Luther King..... Do you shed tear when you hear I HAVE A DREAM. I still do. Do you stand now for GAYS to have equal rights under our constitution with out discrimination. That article on Racism is just a little taste of what went on in this Country way before you were born. I hate it all....................and so if that exemplifies hate then that is me.