To: TobagoJack who wrote (65327 ) 8/14/2010 1:18:34 AM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220283 Most recently during the Made in China civil war <when did taiwan decide to be independent? > Before that when they opted for Japan's Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Before that when Nederlands helped the local yokels with economic activity by way of trade. Before that thousands of years ago when Maori ancestors were in charge. We should probably take it back again. We moved out for a while and the Han moved in. The intricacies of Taiwan's history are [as with most places] interwoven and interesting, involving brute force in the same way that the megalomaniac bosses of China wish still to use brute force to enforce what they want which is to be top monkey, which is what most primates like to do. en.wikipedia.org But look, as with New Zealand, the Dutch had quite a role back in the day and were the first modern rulers of any consequence, naming a chunk of it Zeelandia. So it is really a Dutch territory, though they folded their tents some time back and local skirmishing continued for a while before Japan brought some civilisation as Brianh likes to explain. It's quite clear that the best thing to do is for the locals to decide their own destiny without bossy bandits from Beijing poking their noses in and telling them how to run the place. It's happily [more or less] democratic. I had thought Taiwan had a much more extensive and closer relationship with China than it ever actually did. It has never been part of China really other than in a minor way, in fits and starts, in part. Tibet could also have a vote to see what the people actually living there want to do. In N.America and Australasia, there are already regular elections with independence from Great Britain having been opted for quite regularly. The locals deciding what they want to do seems a good idea, just as people in NZ decided what to do, which increasingly was to run their own show independently of Whitehall and New South Wales though we still report in to The Crown, the Privy Council being the most recent institution to be supplanted. Mqurice