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To: elmatador who wrote (65411)8/15/2010 12:46:19 PM
From: Hawkmoon4 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217682
 
Exactly.. A major, but not total, influence.

China has been in a state of near constant (on a longer time scale) civil war between regional power elites. Very similar, in some regards, to what is occurring in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The bottom line that TJ CHOOSES to ignore is that China is neither as evil, nor as pure, as various pundits would have us believe. Like any other race of humanity, they have a lot to be proud of, as well as a lot to apologize for.

Hawk



To: elmatador who wrote (65411)8/15/2010 7:49:13 PM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217682
 
Ming Dynasty to blame

Incorrect as a far as I can tell.

By the 16th century the Ming economy was stimulated by trade with the Portuguese, the Spanish, and the Dutch. China became involved in a new global trade of goods, plants, animals, and food crops known as the Columbian Exchange. Trade with European powers and the Japanese brought in massive amounts of silver, which then replaced copper and paper banknotes as the common medium of exchange in China. During the last decades of the Ming the flow of silver into China was greatly diminished, thereby undermining state revenues and indeed the entire Ming economy. This damage to the economy was compounded by the effects on agriculture of the incipient Little Ice Age, natural calamities, crop failure, and sudden epidemics. The ensuing breakdown of authority and people's livelihoods allowed rebel leaders such as Li Zicheng to challenge Ming authority.

en.wikipedia.org

Do we have open markets to the Columbian illegal drug running cartel? It certainly would make life a lot simpler.

The guys who took over from the Mong Dynasty were more likely to blame. The Chinese government post 1800 should have focused more on developing her once very able navy and gunpowder technology.

When foreign drug running nations such as the UK wanted to dump opium on Chinese markets in exchange for gold and silver the Chinese could have sent a few gun boats up the river Thames and blown chunks out of London docks until somebody listened and fair legal trade agreements made.

The fault of the Chinese Government was lack of aggressiveness, not closing her markets, obviously there was some very sound reasons to do that. Britain grew vast amounts of opium in India to export to China.

More from the wiki link.

Ming rule saw the construction of a vast navy and a standing army of one million troops.[3] Although private maritime trade and official tribute missions from China had taken place in previous dynasties, the tributary fleet under the Muslim eunuch admiral Zheng He in the 15th century far surpassed all others in size. There were enormous construction projects, including the restoration of the Grand Canal and the Great Wall and the establishment of the Forbidden City in Beijing during the first quarter of the 15th century. Estimates for the late-Ming population vary from 160 to 200 million.[4] The Ming dynasty is often regarded as both a high point in Chinese civilization as well as a dynasty in which early signs of capitalism emerged.[5]

The Ming Dynasty looks to have had exactly the correct recipie for making a just peaceful society.