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Strategies & Market Trends : Roger's 1997 Short Picks -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Pancho Villa who wrote (6661)11/8/1997 10:21:00 PM
From: Pancho Villa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9285
 
From Barron's Intersting internview on tech stocks with mutual fund managers. Read it all! Towards the end you will see 100% agreement with the views at Roger's regarding internet stocks (Yahoo onsl amzn, etc.) year 2000 stocks, box makers! A must read!
Monday, November 10, 1997

Time to Buy?
Despite the market's queasiness, our panel finds some techs alluring

By Eric J. Savitz

Time to Buy - Part 2
Picks and Pans

Are technology stocks headed for trouble? In recent weeks, investors in the sector have struggled with complex and troubling issues -- the Justice Department's probe of Microsoft, the currency crisis in the Far East, rising demand for ultra -- cheap personal computers, and disappointing earnings reports from market leaders such as Intel, Seagate and Sun Microsytems.


No surprise, then, that the stocks have lurched crazily, looking even more volatile than usual. For some perspective, we offer Barron's fourth annual Mutual Fund Forum on technology shares. Once again, we've turned to three of the best portfolio managers around: Paul Wick, who runs the Seligman Communications & Information fund, Charles "Chip" Morris, head of the T. Rowe Price Science & Technology fund, and John Force, who manages PBHG Technology & Communications.

Our experts, all returnees from last year's technology panel, see reason for optimism. But none was without concern about select pockets in the technology landscape. In an intense four-hour session, the trio provided intriguing insights, plus a wealth of picks -- and pans.

Barron's: Since we last convened this panel, there have been tumultuous times in techland -- and it's only gotten worse in the past few weeks. The varying performance of your funds provides vivid demonstration that not all tech stocks move in lockstep. Chip, your fund has struggled this year.
Morris: We're up about 9.9%. One thing that's happened involves valuations. Some companies with more cyclical business models have enjoyed enhanced valuations -- they've been showing the best growth, so in some respects it has been deserved. On the other hand, some companies in more value -- added businesses, data services and networking in particular, have been through rough times. We've been heavily invested in both groups.

Q: Why have those stocks struggled?
Morris: In data services, it's been a combination of things. Electronic Data Systems, EDS, missed the Street earnings estimates three or four quarters in a row. They're a thoroughbred, and watched closely; their trouble dragged down the valuations of the entire group. Other data-services companies have struggled as well.

Q: Not good.
Morris: It doesn't play well in the kind of momentum-driven market we've had in the tech sector for at least the past 18 months. Meanwhile, in the networking sector, there's been some customer confusion, a consequence of rapidly changing technology. And at the same time, there have been pricing pressures.

Q: A year ago, the networking stocks were the hottest shares in the land. Cisco, Ascend, 3Com -- the stocks were soaring.
Morris: As prices have come down, revenue growth has been compressed. Almost all of the networking companies, even Cisco, have seen margin compression. At the same time, several companies decided to do strategic deals, which, in a momentum-driven market, absolutely kills your stock. Big mergers also provide management challenges.

Q: You're referring, of course, to 3Com's acquisition of U.S. Robotics, and Ascend's combination with Cascade.
Morris: The list goes on and on. And not just in networking. From an investment point of view, strategic merger and acquisition activity has been a disaster for all parties involved, whether you owned the buyer, the target, or the combined entity. The other thing that happened is that we've been underexposed in some cyclical areas, like hardware vendors, which have had good performance.

Q: John, your fund has had a seesaw year. The first four months were horrible. You were down 20%-plus. And then you came roaring back. Force: Roaring back to the middle of the pack. We rallied maybe 60%, trough to peak; now we're up 13.8% for the year.

Q: Whew! Why the big swings?
Force: I approach the market looking for high-growth companies that provide high value-added, with strong, sustainable earnings. By definition, I avoid commodity-oriented low-margin businesses. Early in the year, I got hurt by some of the factors Chip mentioned, the difficulties in networking and data services. But more than anything, our recovery reflected the stock market's shift away from its focus on large-cap stocks. Until April 25, the stocks to own were Dell, Compaq, Oracle, Intel and Microsoft. My fund, though, has a bias toward smaller companies, which offer higher growth rates. Now, I admit that the large companies I mentioned had been showing tremendous growth, much better than expected. Starting in late April, though, the rally broadened. Small-cap tech stocks started picking up.

Q: Paul, your fund has had a dramatic reversal of fortune. When we sat here last, you had been struggling. But since then, you've been consistently at or near the top of the performance charts -- for the year, the fund is up around 34.3%.
Wick: We've done well because we stuck to our valuation discipline. We didn't get swept up into owning things that were hot just because they were hot. We held on to our positions in companies we thought were fundamentally well positioned and had strong franchises, and were poised to recover as soon as their industry segments recovered. That was particularly the case with semiconductor capital equipment. We've also benefited from the tremendous volatility we've had this year. It's been a year that has really rewarded heavy trading. Our turnover rate is the highest it's ever been in my tenure -- in the first nine months our turnover was 143%. We usually run about 100% a year.

Q: What pushed you to trade more?
Wick: We've had so many opportunities. At the start of the year, networking stocks were hot; we sold out of Cisco and 3Com. We were fortunate then to move into the semiconductor-equipment stocks -- we had an enormous run in the group as fundamentals stabilized. Then we cut back our weighting in that group, and in the chip industry. The same thing goes for PC stocks. The PC and disk-drive stocks had enormous gains for most of this year. We were there for a big chunk of those gains. But we recently sold most of our positions in that group.

Q: For the last few weeks, there has been considerable disagreement about how the recent Asian economic crisis will affect demand for personal computers, semiconductor manufacturing equipment and other technology goods. How do the three of you view the problem?
Wick: The semiconductor foundry business in places like Singapore and Taiwan should be unaffected. They price their services in U.S. dollars and purchase goods in U.S. dollars, so there shouldn't be a widespread impact. We don't think it's going to have a big impact on the diskdrive industry, either, though that is an industry which does most of its manufacturing in the Far East. The biggest risk has to do with end-user spending in Asia on technology products, whether it's networking, PCs or wireless communications. My networking telecommunications analyst informs me that one of the biggest growth drivers to the wireless industry has been demand in Asia. It's a factor for companies like Northern Telecom and Motorola.

From left, John Force, Paul Wick and Charles "Chip" Morris

Q: Chip, what's your view?
Morris: Japan and Southeast Asia combined account for about 25% of world PC consumption. You might take the whole lump, and say a quarter of the world PC business is going to be pretty much flat in 1998, compared with 1997. You'll only have three-quarters of the world working for you. On top of that, the PC industry has been showing a decline in average selling prices, with the emergence of the sub-$1,000 systems. If average selling prices fall 10%, and you get 20% unit growth in three-quarters of the world, and none in the rest, you get worldwide revenue growth of about 5%. I guarantee no one is factoring that kind of number into their expectations for 1998. On the semiconductor and equipment stocks, you could get hurt by slowing PC sales, if they're not sucking up the available supply of chips, and the chip companies don't build new factories. Asia absorbs about 50% of semiconductor capital-equipment production. Things could get squirrelly, especially if Intel slows its capital-equipment spending. We could have a slower growth period. So the market could continue to be volatile between now and the middle of next year.

Q: John?
Force: Part of the problem is that Asia and Japan have been such a huge source of growth for all tech companies -- you can run but you can't hide. Ordinarily, you run into the data-services arena, but that's been a minefield, though most of those companies do little business overseas. It would be difficult to construct a tech portfolio completely immune from the impact of what's going on in Southeast Asia that you'd want to own in a year.

Q: What about PC demand? In recent weeks, there's been growing interest in sub-$1,000 boxes. We had a disappointing third quarter from Intel, which warned that the fourth quarter wouldn't be much better. Last year, Chip, you predicted someone would start making a PC for less than $1,200. Turns out you were too conservative. You can find full-featured models for $800 or so. Meanwhile, Compaq, Dell and Hewlett-Packard have been on fire, picking up market share from everyone else.
Wick: We're not so sure the PC market is going to crater next year -- I still expect mid-teens revenue growth. At the same time, I think the compression of selling prices is going to affect Intel more than anyone else. Over the past four or five years, Intel's average selling price for microprocessors has relentlessly increased. And certainly the bloodbath in the DRAM market made that even more possible.

Q: Why do you say that?
Wick: Intel was able to gobble up a bigger piece of the pie. With the cost of memory in each PC shrinking from, say, $400 to $150 or less, it's been easy for Intel to get an extra $10 or $20 a chip.

Q: Without affecting the price of the PC?
Wick: Right. Now, though, I think Intel has hit a wall on average selling prices. The emergence of Advanced Micro Devices and Cyrix with competitive microprocessors at significantly cheaper prices is trouble for Intel. It's one reason their third-quarter earnings were disappointing.

Q: Historically, consumers have wanted the biggest, fastest, brawniest PCs they could afford. But now demand seems to be at the other end of the spectrum, with a focus on price. That seems like a conundrum, not just for Intel, but for the PC industry as a whole.
Wick: Well, it's a mixed bag. Some consumers will always want the highest-end system possible, with the best graphics and the best microprocessor and the best sound. It's a very strong pocket of demand for companies like Gateway 2000 and Micron Electronics. Dell, strangely enough, has seen no degradation of average selling prices; they've been able to keep prices stable by bundling in a lot of peripherals. For Compaq, though, it's an issue. They had huge unit growth in the latest quarter, but revenues grew only half as fast.

Q: The fallout from cheap computers.
Wick: I really believe Compaq is making no money whatsoever on their low-cost PCs. The way they internally allocate costs is incorrect. They allocate overhead by dollars, not units -- more overhead dollars for higher-priced models, in other words. If Compaq's systems reflected reality, they'd have to confess that they're not making money on the low end.

Q: That doesn't seem sustainable.
Wick: No, it's bad news. We sold all of our Compaq.

Q: What about Dell?
Wick: We sold it. Since then, the stock is up 100%.

Q: Oops! No one's perfect. And Intel?
Wick: We sold all of our Intel twice this year. We got back in the summer when there were rumblings that business was ahead of plan and yields were good. When it began to filter out that selling prices weren't as rosy, we sold out.

Q: What do you make of this, John?
Force: The thing that struck me was Compaq going to Intel and asking for more low-end Pentiums. The move to low-cost models is happening. It sets us up for disappointments, especially at Intel. But there are some positives in this trend.

Q: Like ...?
Force: Internet use is rapidly expanding because you can buy these boxes so cheaply. But it certainly isn't good for Intel. They're losing control of the PC manufacturers.
Morris: That brings up another point. Intel really is losing some control over the PC industry. The top PC vendors are gaining share. And Intel has always benefited in the past from a fragmented industry. Now we're at a point where the top five players are starting to really solidify their share. That's not positive for Intel.

Q: How do the three of you view the legal turmoil which has enveloped Microsof the Justice Department action, the dustup with Sun Microsystems?
Wick: The Justice Department fine, $1 million a day, doesn't mean that much when you consider they've got $9 billion in cash, and they're generating another $1 billion-plus every year. It's just a nuisance. If they lose, and the Justice Department forces them to separate Internet Explorer from the operating system, it's a modest negative. It probably has more impact on the market's perception of Netscape Communications than anything else.

Q: But you're no Netscape fan.
Wick: I'm not. My feeling is that regardless of what happens, Netscape is dead. Microsoft is winning the war in browsers. A year ago, they had 30% share; Netscape, 70%. Now they're 50-50. And even if Microsoft loses this round with the Justice Department, they're going to be able to integrate Internet Explorer with the operating systems coming next year, Windows98 and WindowsNT5.0. That should fall within the guidelines of Microsoft's original agreement with the Justice Department. And at that point, with the browser completely embedded in the operating system, again, I think Netscape is dead.

Q: Well, that's a grim pronouncement.
Wick: I think it's realistic. Look at what Microsoft has done to so many other companies in the software industry.

Q: But Netscape has tried to diversify its business away from the browser.
Wick: They came out with an entire suite of products. Push technology, E-mail, groupware. But it has a longer selling cycle, and they're going head-to-head not only with Microsoft, but also IBM's Lotus subsidiary. I just don't see them making enough progress elsewhere to offset the loss of their key franchise.
Morris: I'm not sure Netscape is dead. But I do think a re-evaluation of Netscape based solely on the prospects for its back-office products is something that is going to happen in the near- to intermediate-term. They'll increasingly be viewed as a systems software company. If the Internet is big enough to handle only one company, that would be sad. The opportunity should support several thriving companies. And Netscape could be one of them.

Q: What about the dispute over Java?
Wick: Microsoft is trying to gain control of Java, to muck up the standard enough so that the Microsoft technology is just as good, if not better. Sun knows that. Microsoft knows that. The rest of the industry knows that. Microsoft is trying to modify the technology, which is what they do when someone gets out ahead of them. They take a fairly open standard and modify it. Microsoft has to blunt Java, for the obvious reason that Sun's goal with Java is to make the operating system irrelevant. And the other thing is, if a Web TV-type device really catches on for consumers, Microsoft doesn't want Java to be the operating system of choice, especially if we're talking about mass-market sales, with tens of millions of units a year.

Q: One big unsolved question is how people will be accessing the Internet. We keep hearing about XDSL and ISDN and cable modems, but few people have them. They have poky dial-up modems.
Wick: Bandwidth at the backbone, at the telecommunications network level, is expanding significantly. What you're referring to is the inability of service providers to get the ball rolling, so the typical consumer can see an increase in access speed. Regulatory issues really deter the RBOCs from spending heavily on these services. You may need some technical breakthroughs from the XDSL players to make it easy.

Q: Over the last year, Wall Street has begun to believe in Internet commerce. Amazon.com came public in the face of skeptical opinion about their prospects, then shot higher.OnSale came public, initially did nothing and then caught fire. Also, you've had a series of commerce deals by the search-engine companies, which have been well-received. Yahoo! has been red-hot.
Morris: For many of those markets, the barriers to entry are very low. But there's a franchise value in being first, which is fairly significant. They're working in very large markets -- if they can take 10% over a five- or 10-year period, you're talking about billions of dollars. It's the same advantage Dell has had in personal computers versus Compaq and IBM. Less need for bricks and mortar. They need a couple of warehouses, and brand awareness.

Q: The stocks have been soaring.
Morris: A lot of them have doubled in the last three months. The fact that they have no underlying earnings puts them at risk, particularly when the market corrects. I think the search-engine companies will ultimately find themselves in the same position Netscape did with respect to the browser. Which is that the Yahoo!s of the world are going to build a nice franchise in search engines. And just when that business gets to be decent, America Online and Microsoft are going to have their own search engines. Maybe they run a continuous lottery, and randomly give people who use the search engine a free month of AOL. A search engine is a search engine. There's not much to differentiate them.

Q: If you run a search-engine company, you don't want to hear that.
Morris: Well, in my opinion, when the revenues get big enough, AOL and Microsoft will think long and hard about how to get those incremental revenues. Maybe Microsoft would randomly give away copies of Windows98. You'd be surprised what people will do to get something free, even a T-shirt. In short, the area is ripe for some pressure.

Q: What about Internet commerce?
Morris: We've just seen the tip of the iceberg. And the big thing is that everyone has business to protect-record stores, book stores, Merrill Lynch. And they will not bite the bullet in matching the online competition dollar-for-dollar in price and convenience. The market caps in the larger-commerce businesses could reach into the billions. We have a small position in Amazon.com, and we own CUC International.

Q: John, last year you were pretty negative on the Internet stocks.
Force: I'm a high-growth-rate investor. It's hard to find good long-term Internet plays. You see a market with 40 million users, going to 150 million -- 200 million over the next few years. And it amazes me, the range of uses people find for the Internet. Talking to long-lost cousins, researching health problems, tracking down discounts on vacations, getting information on buying cars. But it's hard to find companies with revenues and earnings. And when you find one, it has a market cap in the billions. I agree with Chip. The opportunities are fantastic. But I've had an incredible inability to find anything to buy. These are wonderful distribution models that anybody can use to sell product cheaply. So you try to look at those.

Q: Paul, do you own any Internet stocks?
Wick: Actually, I think everything in this space would make my list of pans. The whole sector is outrageously overvalued. It's a shocking example of speculation gone overboard. In many instances, the barriers to entry are completely nonexistent. Some companies appear to have a reasonable, sustainable business model -- I think Yahoo! is actually an okay business. On the other hand, at 25 times what Wall Street is expecting for 1998 revenues, the valuation is insane.

Q: A little pricey, anyway.
Wick: My favorite negative one would be Amazon.com. It has a $1.4 billion market cap on a $280 million sales forecast for 1998. The company won't break even until 1999 at best. And yet you look at Barnes & Noble, which has a $1.8 billion market cap, doing sales of $2.8 billion, and making a profit, with what I think is a more sustainable franchise. Barnes & Noble has the superstore concept, a proven, viable concept. You can't get coffee and donuts online from Amazon.

Q: But Wall Street seems to think Amazon has a good business model.
Wick: The books business has lousy demographics. Americans are reading fewer books every year. It's like the trend in newspaper readership. The business has terribly low profit margins. And I don't see what's so great about the business model.

OnSale has an even worse business model, because they take all sorts of inventory risks, and the business ties up an awful lot of working capital. Not only that, but you have a business model that is going to be cash-flow-negative for a long time. So here we have a company with a market cap of a half-billion dollars, with no prayer of being profitable or cash-flow-positive for years. In a business with no barriers to entry. So riddle me that.

Q: What about the Year 2000 problem?
Force: It's really significant. The issue isn't whether it's a $300 billion problem or a $600 billion problem. It's going to be a lot of money. The issue is: What happens to these companies after the year 2000? The one thing they talk about is the conversion in Europe to the euro as a standard currency. Some of them talk about solving ZIP-code problems, or area-code changes. But to me, it comes down to the consulting companies that provide staffing and project management to actually attack the problem. I have owned Viasoft off and on over the years. This will hit crisis proportions over the next six months, when people realize they haven't planned for it.

Q: Paul, are you a believer?
Wick: It's going to be a serious problem, I agree. We don't have a large exposure in the portfolio at the present time. We're interested in Viasoft, although the valuation is still a little high.

Q: Why Viasoft?
Wick: Their recent quarter was actually pretty good, despite a negative reaction from the Street. Actually, the largest position in my fund should be a beneficiary of the Year 2000 problem: EMC. To accomplish the redundancy of code you need for Year 2000 compliance testing, you end up having to literally double your data-storage requirements. EMC has already seen a surge of revenues.

Q: Chip, are you finding opportunities here?
Morris: Yes, although the valuations are a little aggressive. We own companies like Gartner Group, which scares the heck out of everyone, by telling them how much they need to invest in the problem. We own a little bit of EMC, some information technology-strategy companies, and Platinum Technology, which offers some Y2K software. And we think companies selling mainframe-based software are probably going to benefit as people have to run parallel implementations of the software for testing purposes. As we get closer and closer to December 1999, it will be less an issue of money and more an issue of internal information-technology resources at large companies. So you might have a situation where there is plenty of money in the budget to put in software from SAP or Peoplesoft or Baan, but not enough people to do it and still take care of the Year 2000 problem. I can almost see in a year's time how those software companies will slow down.
Force: I think Chip is right, that the Year 2000 problem will displace some spending on things like data warehousing, and large software installations like SAP.



To: Pancho Villa who wrote (6661)11/8/1997 10:31:00 PM
From: Pancho Villa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9285
 
More stuff from barron's year 2000 stocks should be avoided.



Monday, November 10, 1997

Time to Buy - Part 2

By Eric J. Savitz

Time to Buy - Part 1

Q: Let's pick some stocks. Chip?
Morris: We're not focused on any single sector right now -- we're doing more bottom-up stockpicking. I'll give you one or two stocks in a couple of categories.

Q: Fire away.
Morris: In the software arena, one company we like is Synopsys, which makes electronic design-automation software, for planning new semiconductors. The stock trades around 38. They should earn $2-plus for their September 1998 fiscal year. The company has shifted its business model, from 30% revenue growth and 20% operating margins, to a better balance at 20%-25% growth, and 20%-25% operating margins. We think the company is about to embark on an aggressive new product and technology cycle that will take it through 1998.

Q: Didn't Synopsys just do a big acquisition?
Morris: They're about to acquire ViewLogic, a company with strong products and high growth. It's a nice fit. Synopsys will probably streamline the operation somewhat, and there are some potential efficiencies that should be accretive to that $2 number. So here's a company that has really been profitable for I don't know how many consecutive quarters, growing year-over-year in excess of 20%, with high visibility, doing an accretive deal. And it has a fine balance sheet.

Q: So you like them. Morris: We're pretty excited about the stock, which carries a mid-20s multiple of projected calendar 1999 earnings of $2.40$2.50 a share. We think it can hit $60.


Q: What else do you like?
Morris: Parametric Technology, one of the dominant suppliers of computer-aided design and manufacturing software, CAD/CAM software. The stock trades around 44. The estimates for calendar 1998 are running about $2.20 a share. It's a company that's been in the box on two fronts. One, they had an issue in Japan, related to macroeconomic issues there. And they've been losing some market share to Dassault Systems, which has been on quite a tear. Dassault is a French company, which has benefited from the plunge of the franc against the dollar and other currencies. The dollar has strengthened against the yen and the mark.

But when you look at local currency results for each company, it looks like Dassault is outgrowing Parametric fairly rapidly. If you unwind everything and put it all on a constant-dollar basis, you find that Parametric is growing much faster than Dassault. In any case, we believe the issues involving Japan and Dassault will be resolved as we move through 1998 and that the company will actually be in a position to accelerate revenue growth as we move through the back half of 1998. So here's a stock that's in the mid-40s, which we think can earn $2.70-$2.80 a share in calendar '99.

Q: How fast are they growing?
Morris: Maybe 30% in 1999. Lower than that in the first half of 1998. This management has executed extremely well over time. And the company's technical position in the industry has not eroded at all. In a year, you could see the stock hit 60.

Q: Let's move on.
Morris: In the semiconductor arena, two companies we like are Analog Devices and ASM Lithography.

Q: Let's start with Analog.
Morris: Analog makes linear and mixed-signal chips, competing with companies like Linear Technology and Maxim Integrated Products. They also do a lot of business in DSP, digital-signal processing, a technology used in many communications devices. Those two high-growth areas account for about 80% of their revenues.

Q: Sounds good.
Morris: The thing about Analog is that their operating margins are about 10 percentage points or more behind those of the front-line competition in linear and mixed signal.

Q: Why?
Morris: For one thing, not all of their business is linear, and linear is their best business. Even within linear, though, they're way behind the competition in profitability. Part of that is because Analog is a lot larger than Maxim or Linear. They can't cream-skim as much. Also, the DSP business is a lower-margin business, though they and Texas Instruments really dominate the market. TI seems unlikely to be overly aggressive on pricing, since they are on a margin expansion program of their own. So we see the potential for Analog Devices to add 500 basis points to its operating margins over the next several years, and possibly more than that. The company has a big internal initiative to increase margins. In short, we see both a favorable mix shift, and better operating margins. And they benefit from having diverse end markets, communications, telecom, industrial automation. And unlike Texas Instruments, they don't have a lot of exposure to the disk-drive business in DSPs.

Q: What about ASM Lithography?
Morris: We're taking the view that there's going to be a big cycle in semiconductor-equipment spending over the next few years. ASM, as the name implies, makes lithography machines, which play an integral role in the process for making chips.

Q: They made an impressive presentation at the American Electronics Association conference last week -- apparently, the company is sold out through the year 1998. Place an order today, and you won't get it before 1999. Well, anyway, Chip, here's your chance to be a hero. What would you avoid?
Morris: This always gets me in trouble.

Q: Be brave.
Morris: I think the ERP vendors could be headed for trouble.

Q: What's an ERP?
Morris: It's short for enterprise resource planning. Companies like SAP, Baan and Peoplesoft, which sell large software programs that play an integral role in helping companies run their businesses. These companies have benefited from the Year 2000 problem -- and from poor accounting rules. If you fix an existing system, that counts as a current expense. Which is bad. If you buy a new system, that's a capital-budget item, and you get to amortize it over time. So you have the choice of fixing something for $10 million and expensing it, or buying something for $10 million, and writing off $1 million a year over 10 years.

Q: Some choice.
Morris: If you're the chief investment officer, would you rather go to the CFO and say you need $10 million right now, or would you rather tell him you need a small bump in the budget for some years to come because you have to fix the Y2K problem? That issue has been helping the ERP companies. But as John pointed out, no one should be surprised if a year from now, we hear companies warning about near-term earnings shortfalls as companies stop trying to implement new systems, and focus on the short-term consequences of the year 2000 problem.

Q: So would you dump them now?
Morris: Well, these stocks can be viable at 30-35 times earnings. But most of them are selling at 50-60 times earnings, which is a whole different story. There will be plenty of growth for these companies beyond the year 2000. They've had plenty of business lately, which should continue through mid-1998. But then it's going to start to reverse. If you want to focus on a single company, look at SAP, whose software takes the longest to implement. They'd see the slowdown first. Peoplesoft would probably see it last. In short, while we like these companies for the long haul, the high valuations make the Year 2000-related slowdown a real issue.

Q: See, that wasn't so bad. John, you're up.
Force: Let me do a sort of sector thing. An area I talked about last year, which I still really like, are companies in IT services.

Q: Information technologies. Consulting, stuff like that, right?
Force: Yes. I've focused on some of the smaller names in the group. They can stay more nimble, hire and retain employees better. It really plays on some of the macro trends in technology. Information systems are increasingly complex. The costs of supporting them are escalating. Companies don't have core competencies in this stuff, and the product cycles are increasingly short. The IT consulting and staffing companies themselves are consolidating. A lot of the companies are regional, and most have good management. With a little vision, you can go in and buy out groups of offices in major metro areas.

Q: Consolidation is the name of the game.
Force: The companies I'd like to talk about have focused on the middle market, and on international markets. The overseas markets are well behind where the U.S. companies have been, so they have plenty of opportunity. Their balance sheets are impeccable; typically, they don't have any debt. They have positive free cash flow, and recurring revenues. The only real negative is difficulty in finding and retaining good personnel.

I put these companies into several groups. There are the composite-solutions providers, the big guys, the big accounting firms, EDS, Computer Sciences, IBM. These guys provide everything from professional services to platform management. They provide total outsourcing services. I aim a level below that, at companies with faster growth and expanding operating margins.

Q: The little guys.
Force: The area I like best would be the systems integration and applications development companies. The name I've owned there -- it was one I recommended last year, which I still like; it's one of my five largest holdings -- is Cambridge Technology Partners. Because of the nature of their business, visibility of earnings is excellent. I was buying them in March and April, when the small-caps were getting hammered. I own Technology Solutions, Whitman-Hart. I also own some of the IT staffing companies, which have lower margins. They're big beneficiaries of the Y2K problem. I own Keane, The Registry, and Computer Horizons. But I'd like to focus on two companies which are kind of baby Cambridges. The first is ECsoft.

Q: What's an ECsoft?
Force: ECsoft is a U.K.-based company, much like Cambridge in that they do systems integration and applications development. They've developed their own methodology, which reminds me of Cambridge's. Most of what they do is ERP implementation. In Europe, this stuff is accelerating. The companies over there are three, four, five years behind the U.S., and there isn't as much competition. They focus on client/server software, shifting away from legacy systems on older hardware, which has helped boost their margins. They've made acquisitions in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, all of which are big users of IT services. Their acquisitions have been accretive; they bought companies with higher margins than their own. So what you have is a company with top-line growth of 30%, and exploding operating margins. The stock isn't expensive in the world I live in.

Q: You live in Pilgrim Baxter -- land, I'll remind everyone.
Force: The earnings estimates on this thing are running 53 cents for this year, up from 40 cents last year. Next year, they should earn 71 cents. Those are the Street estimates, actually, and they are too low -- they don't include enough operating margin expansion or any acquisitions. Also, their employee turnover ratio is about 15%, which is lower than their U.S. counterparts'. The company has a market cap of about $150 million; ADR is trading for about 18. It's kind of neglected. But it's going to get bigger.

Q: What's next?
Force: IntelliGroup, a pure play on SAP implementation. It's a U.S. company, with about 12 million shares outstanding, trading for about 20, which gives it a market cap of about $250 million. Earnings were 14 cents last year. This year, they'll do about 43 cents, and next year, 61 cents. Both this year's and next year's estimates have gone up a dime over the last three quarters. And again, I think Wall Street has it mismodeled. They are only putting in $32 million in incremental revenue growth for next year; that's what they're going to do this year. Why is this one cool? Well, one unusual thing is that they're sourcing their people in India. There are two good reasons for that: You find highly trained people there, and the turnover rate is lower, only about 10%.

Q: So they are hiring in India -- the people who run the company are both Indian -- and bringing people over here.
Force: Exactly. They've literally set up living arrangements for these people in their offices.

Q: So they stick them in dormitories and lock the doors at night.
Force: These guys are well-paid. The only issue is getting them work permits. Since the U.S. has an extraordinary lack of qualified people, it seems reasonable that those guidelines will loosen up. That's really the only negative on this. Revenues in the most recent quarter were up 75%; operating income was up 134%. It's another company where you're getting margin expansion. Hirings are above plan this quarter. Sales, general and administrative costs have gone from 6% to 15%. It's worth noting that these guys are what's called an SAP logo partner, which means SAP sort of gives them free rein in bidding for jobs in the middle market. Contracts typically are $1 million-$2 million. They essentially take over management of the project, rather than just providing staffing.

Q: So those are baby Cambridges?
Force: Right. It's worth noting that Cambridge itself has started to re-accelerate revenues and earnings. It has the best management in the group and absolutely no Y2K exposure. They look at that as sort of a temporary phenomenon.

Q: What else have you got, John?
Force: Teledata. That's a wild one. It's an Israeli company that provides equipment for local telephone carriers. I started looking at this company after the IPO 18 months ago for a better-known company called Advanced Fiber. The company attacks the problem we talked about: lack of bandwidth in the local loop. This stuff is even more of an issue in developing countries and in Europe. They sell boxes that let you expand the capacity of the infrastructure already in place, to build out basic telephone service. They also have some sexier boxes that allow you to add on other services, like video-on-demand. They provide both wireline and wireless systems. My thesis was that it was growing as fast as Advanced Fiber and selling for a lower multiple. There's some political risk, though, since the company is in Israel.

Q: Is their business in the U.S.?
Force: Not yet.

Q: So, where do they sell this stuff?
Force: Less than 30% is in Israel itself. They've had big wins in Brazil and Europe -- Norway, for instance. And a potentially huge win with Deutsche Telekom could add 15-20 cents a share over the next two or three years. The numbers are amazing. In 1995, revenues were $32 million, and they lost four cents a share. Last year, they had $57 million in revenues, and made 70 cents. This year, $91 million and $1.20.

Let me point out that at the start of the year the estimates for 1997 were running at $70 million. They've gone up more than $20 million, and the earnings estimates have gone from 80 cents to $1.20. You get expanding operating margins, a huge market opportunity and an undiscovered company. For next year, the estimates are running $122 million and $1.60 a share. They've got great technology, and a new product coming on, which will compete with Advanced Fiber's. It may not be quite as good, but there are people who will use it as a second source. The other thing is that they have a huge backlog. They have visibility through 1998. The only drawback is that there's lots of competition. ADC, Tellabs. A whole list.

Q: But you're not that worried?
Force: They're in their first U.S. trial, and they're going to announce a partner here.

Q: How about some shorts?
Force: I'd short Applied Magnetics, which makes disk-drive heads. They compete with Read-Rite. In fact, they tried to buy Read-Rite. The company has fallen behind in the state-of-the-art technology, called MR. The bid for Read-Rite was a defensive move, because of their weak position in MR. They missed their last quarter, earning 60 cents a share, versus estimates in the 70s. Read-Rite and the Japanese suppliers are ahead of them. I think the stock can go back to where it was before the most recent rally, and that's hat size. I believe their earnings next year could be zero.
Morris: Where is the stock?
Force: About 27. Everything is going to be MR by the second quarter of '98, and I just think they aren't going to be there.

I'd also short Hutchinson Technologies, which also supplies parts to the disk-drive industry. There's some new technology that could displace what they do.

Q: Paul, it's up to you.
Wick: First, I want to talk about a networking outfit: Cabletron Systems. There's a new CEO, Don Reed, who should act as an agent of change. Reed used to be president of Nynex and chief operating officer of New England Telephone. We're excited that his pay package is a function of obtaining 30% earnings-growth targets. He's been on the job for only six weeks, and few people have met him. We have, and we think he's very credible. He's got a strategy to reignite the company's sales growth, which has been problematic over the last year.

Q: Is that why there was a change?
Wick: The company had been run by its founders, Craig Benson and Bob Levine. Benson became chairman; Levine departed voluntarily.
Force: They lost credibility on the Street.
Wick: The perception is that they lost interest in running the company. We think Reed has the right strategy. Cabletron has the best network-management software in the industry with their Spectrum product. They have very limited international sales, almost no business in Southeast Asia, which we currently see as a positive; the company is planning to turn that around. They are going after global accounts by expanding their direct sales force. Going forward, they'll also be partnering with more re-sellers and systems integrators.

Most importantly, they've cured the supply constraints on an important new switching product. A few months back, the lead time on their Smart Switch 6000 line was 10-12 weeks; they're down to roughly four weeks. We think the stock is cheap. At 30, the company has about a $4.8 billion market cap, roughly three times sales. It's trading at about 16 times calendar 1998 estimates of $1.80-$1.85 a share. The company has a strong balance sheet and high profit margins, which right now actually are a little bit sub-par for them, in the 22% area. We think they can move that higher soon. And it has always generated substantial cash from operations.

Q: What else do you like?
Wick: Creative Technology.

Q: The Soundblaster company.
Wick: Creative reported an outstanding September quarter.

Q: Do they still make sound cards for PCs?
Wick: Sound cards are still the key product. Creative essentially invented PC audio. About 80% of the company's revenues still come from the Soundblaster product line. The standard, surprisingly, has not eroded over time, despite repeated predictions that Intel or Microsoft would eventually figure out a way to kill it off. The problem is that virtually all PC games have been written to the Soundblaster standard. No one has been able to come up with an emulation of Soundblaster that works 100% of the time. And the PC companies are quite nervous about coming out with a PC that has the potential for incompatibility.

Q: At one point, this company had been knocked firmly on its behind.
Wick: The stock was absolutely decimated a few years back. The company made the mistake of getting into the CD-ROM business and becoming vertically integrated. They got into that business because they sell CD-ROM upgrade kits with their Soundblaster audio cards. They realized they made a big mistake when the CD-ROM market went through a bloodbath over the past couple of years. Creative exited that business, took a big writeoff. They've since had a significant increase in gross margins, which have risen from a low of around 10% at the trough to 33% in the most recent quarter.

Q: So, they're making money again.
Wick: The company, in the space of a little under two years, has generated almost a half-billion dollars of cash. They now have $5 a share in cash on their balance sheet. They have lots of new products that have been meeting with some success, including a 64-bit version of the Soundblaster audio card. They've also got a graphics card, which has met with a good response in the market, called the Graphics Blaster. And, maybe most importantly, they have a product that came out October 31 -- a $379 DVD multimedia upgrade kit. At $379, it's far and away the cheapest in the market and it could be a hot product for Christmas. Moreover, the stock is cheap, selling at not much more than one times revenues and roughly 10 times June '98 earnings.

Q: Uh, Paul, pardon me, but what is the point of a DVD upgrade kit at this point? There's very little software out there.
Wick: The software is coming. The greater storage capacity of the DVD compared to a CD-ROM will be attractive to some people. It's likely to be a niche market to some degree. But on the other hand, there probably will be some people who want it -- maybe they'll install it on their laptops, and use it to watch movies on airplanes. Their first foray into this area, which came out earlier this year, was priced at $500 and it sold very well. So there seems to be some enthusiasm.

Q: The stock is trading ..
Wick: .. in the mid-20s.

Q: And this year, the company should earn ..
Wick: ...about $2.60 a share.

Q: Cheap! Why do people hate this stock?
Wick: It's a combination of things. The company is based in Singapore, although almost all of its revenues come from the U.S. and Europe. The CEO doesn't speak English very well. For some reason, it just isn't on people's radar screens.

Q: What else do you like?
Wick: Some semiconductor-equipment stocks. Bargains abound in the sphere right now. We think 1998 is going to be somewhat of a recovery year. We're not looking for a huge upswing in capital-equipment spending in '98. We do think that 1999 has the potential to be an outstanding year. We're seeing improved profitability and more stable business in all of the leading companies. If you bought these stocks over the years whenever people have thrown in the towel on them, usually they recover over the ensuing 12-24 months. What perplexes me is that these stocks are getting shellacked very early in the start of an upcycle in the industry. I don't buy the argument that we are about to roll over into a major-league recession in the industry. It would be unprecedented.

Q: What are your equipment picks?
Wick: I like both Teradyne and Credence. I'll start with Teradyne. It's a close No. 2 in the world in semiconductor test equipment -- about two-thirds of its revenues come from semiconductor test equipment. The balance are in telecom, printed circuit-board tests, and high-density printed circuit boards, or backplanes. All of those businesses have better than 20% long-term growth potential. Maybe with the exception of the board test area, which is probably high single-digit growth. Teradyne is unique in the test industry in that it's either No. 1 or No. 2 in all three main areas of semiconductor testing -- No. 1 in mixed signal/analog, No. 2 in logic, and No. 2 in memory. The company has done well from the standpoint of new products. And it's gaining share in virtually all three of the major test areas. In logic, they've been gaining share from Schlumberger and Advantest. On the DRAM side, there's big growth opportunity from the move to 64 megabit chips and synchronous DRAMs. They essentially require a forklift upgrade cycle.

Q: What's a forklift have to do with it?
Wick: You install new equipment, and pull the old stuff out, with a forklift.

Q: Ah.
Wick: The synchronous DRAM and 64-meg DRAM cycle has really just started to unfold in a big way. Teradyne should see some significant growth for its DRAMs in 1998. And in the mixed signal/analog area, they have been relentlessly gaining share from LTX and a couple of other rivals. The company reported earnings just a couple of weeks ago. They reported record orders of over $400 million. They have tremendous visibility looking out to the middle of next year. And operating profit margins right now are only around 16%. Assuming that these orders hold up, the company could see operating profit margins hit the low 20s. Earnings estimates for calendar '98 have risen to the neighborhood of $3. The stock is around $40. It's cheap.

Q: What about Credence?
Wick: I recommended Credence a couple of years ago. At first they did great. But then they had some rocky times. This year revenues have begun to recover. Still the stock has been under a lot of pressure. Credence doesn't do memory testing; the bulk of its product line is mixed-signal and digital-testing gear. The advantage they have had historically is that their testers are smaller and cheaper and have a lower cost of ownership than anyone else's.

Q: That seems like a good thing.
Wick: Over the years, Credence has been the other company, besides Teradyne, that has gained share. It's had some tough times, though. It troughed at $40 million in revenues in the January 1997 quarter and moved up to $51 million in the July quarter. We think it will report roughly $65 million in the October quarter. They are sold out through February. They sell in dollars everywhere. They do have a lot of sales in Southeast Asia, which is one reason the stock has gone down from the mid-50s to about 30. But the fact is, these people sell to Taiwanese foundries, which sell their services to American chip companies and price in dollars.

Q: Anything else we should know?
Wick: This company has always had very high profit margins, and a reputation for being one of the best-managed operations in the industry. Its gross profit margins have traditionally been in the high 50s. Credence managed to maintain those high gross margins throughout the industry downturn, although their expenses climbed as a percentage of sales. As the company's revenues continue to expand, we expect expenses as a percent of sales to decline enabling operating profit margins to rebound back to the 24%-25% range.

SG&A and R&D as a percentage of sales are still relatively high. We think they can hit 20% operating margins in the current quarter. Also, the company has $4 a share of cash, no debt. There are 22 million shares outstanding. The price is 30. And the company is at a run rate of about $260 million in sales, and we see that going up substantially. The Street expects $2 a share in the October 1998 fiscal year, which we think is materially too low.

Q: What else do you like?
Wick: Lattice Semiconductor, the No. 3 maker of PLDs, or programmable logic devices. PLDs are chips used in relatively expensive products like telecom switches, networking hubs and routers and Ethernet switches, wide-area networking equipment and military radar.

Q: Tell us more.
Wick: Lattice has always been a very tightly run ship. And even though it's the No. 3 PLD company, it's been the fastest-growing high-density PLD company over the past year. Lattice has a low-density PLD operation, which is somewhat of a commodity business. And it has this high-density PLD business, a very high value-added line. Lattice has actually gotten very high profit margins on both parts. It historically had operating profit margins in the high 20% to low 30% area. The company a couple of years back had a business mix of 80% low-density and 20% high-end. That's shifted; the low-density business is now only about 30% of sales. The high-density business is approaching 70% and growing at almost 100% per year. The stock is really cheap.

Q: Paul, let's have one final pick.
Wick: I don't own much in the disk-drive industry. But I do like Read-Rite. Lately, it's been somewhat of a disappointment, but we think the worst is over. The stock is just too cheap. The company is the largest merchant supplier in the world for hard disk-drive heads. It was initially late in adopting MR technology, but they were 30% of revenues in the last quarter, going to 70% by the middle of next year. Their largest customer, Western Digital, is moving almost its entire product line to MR heads from thin-film inductive heads. The company should get some help from Western Digital's move to disk drives of higher density, from 1.2 gigabytes per platter to 2.1 gigabytes over the next year -- the higher-density drives require heads with higher selling prices. And the company is on the cusp of getting some significant sales volumes from Seagate, which we're hearing is going to give Read-Rite significant orders for MR heads, starting in the March quarter.

Q: As usual, gentlemen, lots of food for thought. Thanks.


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