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To: Ali Chen who wrote (39695)	11/9/1997 4:01:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali -You missed the point again Previous poster <Worst case scenerio, Intel will provide a patch for download on their web site.> Ali's response The way how you diiscuss the topic it is clear that to got exactly nothing from all these messages. This is your problem, true believer in the "hollow tree" of Intel. My response: Ali the previous poster was refering to reprogrammable microcode. check out techweb.com What is your position on the many AMD bugs? Do you demand a recall as well or are you just a mindless Intel basher? techweb.com EP

To: Ali Chen who wrote (39695)	11/9/1997 4:30:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali, you exactly made my point when you said.. << Someone else was trying to send a greeteng card using a new program that was bugged by some bad guy. What's to prevent that same bad guy from inserting one of the thousands of virus codes bugs out there?? You would have to willfully want to insert this bug. That does not constitute a bug, a bug is a system malfunction in a computer when you are using normal operating procedures. When would you happen upon this code normally?? You answered it yourself. You wouldn't. Michael

To: Ali Chen who wrote (39695)	11/9/1997 4:34:00 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 186894

Ali, >>>You visualization is totally irrelevant. Try better this: Mary Cluney is running a huge and very important quiery updating database on her corporate dual-pentium server, as well as many others. Someone else was trying to send a greeteng card using a new program that was bugged by some bad guy. The corporate server instantly gets frosen without ANY MESSAGE. Only reset gets it back. All cached files and cached directories gets corrupted and half of the database files needs long recovery. This may take days.<<< I am no longer in that kind of environment. My modeling days (data and fashion - believe it or not, I did both) are fading memories. But, my memory is still sufficient to make these comments. Any applications server that takes more than a few hours (at most) to recover from this kind of termination does not deserve to come back in a few days. It should be shut down permanently and professionals should be brought in to manage this facility. Again, in a critical applications environment, only authorized users have access to the system and users are logged in and their identity known. The bad guy culprit would easily be tracked down. It is far more likely that an authorized user (with some level of access) surreptitiously, copied important data (for resale), manipulate data that would take a long time to uncover, enter false data to mislead, than it would be for someone to do something that is so dramatical as to shut down the system by introducing the Pentium F0 bug, simply erasing files, or just go beserk in the computer room using my cross platform, device independent, systems terminator that I have named "POFGEN-S-HAMMMER". The Pentium F0 bug will have no real world consequence. I will predict that my Plain Old First Generation Sledge Hammer will do more damage than your Pentium F0 bug. After all the POFGEN S HAMMER requires very little user training - although I do admit that Hammer speed is important as is follow through. Regards, Mary Cluney