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To: Brumar89 who wrote (584917)	9/10/2010 3:30:20 PM
From: FJB	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577586

Flashback: Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses Published June 18, 2007 associatedcontent.com After defeating their rivals in Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement, Muslim extremists are focusing their attacks on Christians in Gaza City. Christians in Gaza City have issued an appeal to the international community and a plea for protection against the increased attacks by Muslim extremists. Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church, told the AP that Muslims have ransacked, burned and looted a school and convent that are part of the Gaza Strip's small Romany Catholic community. He told the AP that crosses were broken, damage was done to a statue of Jesus, and at the Rosary Sister School and nearby convent, prayer books were burned. Gunmen used the roof of the school during the fighting, and the convent was "desecrated," Mussalem told the AP. "Nothing happens by mistake these days," he said. Father Musalam additionally told The Jerusalem Post that the Muslim gunmen used rocket-propeled grenades (RPGs) to blow through the doors of the church and school, before burning Bibles and destroying every cross they could get their hands on. Catholic Online reports that the heads of Christian churches in the Holy Land have urged both sides to put aside their weapons, noting that the infighting diverted international attention from the national goal of Palestinian independence. "This domestic fighting where brother draws his weapon against brother is detrimental to all the aspirations of achieving security and stability for the Palestinian people," they said. "In the name of the one and only God as well as in the name of each devastated Palestinian, many of whom are still dying, we urge our brothers in the Fatah and Hamas movements to listen to the voice of reason, truth and wisdom." One young woman told the Catholic News Service that she was concerned the Islamic extremists would "enforce a strict dress code, forcing women to wear veils and robes." One Christian teenager spoke to the Catholic News Service on the condition that her name not be used. She said the days of fighting had been "very difficult" but they were "OK now."

To: Brumar89 who wrote (584917)	9/13/2010 12:38:39 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577586

Well, I'm not an expert on the life of Mohammad and don't feel comfortable in any kind of spokesperson role but you asked how could reasonably decent people hold this guy up as a role model and I've suggested how you could come to that understanding. You don't seem interested in following up on that advice which is fine with me. I see how Muslims pay attention to the Hadith and consider him a model citizen in every way. They don't consider pedophilia an acceptable model and don't consider Mohammad to be a pedophiliac, or rapist, or abuser of men or women. I know the arguments pro and con because I've looked at both sides enough to see how he could be viewed as evil or some sort of saint like person. I don't feel particularly committed to arguing either side. No one claims he is divine. To understand how that perspective could be possible under the circumstances (11 wives, one of them pre-pubessant, a wife resulting from the slaughter of her relatives, etc) you'd have to actually study the circumstances and the why's and where fores of his relationship from Islamic literature ... not just excerpts with accompanying 'proofs' taken by anti-Islamic web sites.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (584917)	9/13/2010 12:54:06 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577586

The Islam problem in America seems to be a matter of who is defining the problem. So, I'll suggest a few places to start depending on perspective. This is what I've seen. Note I consider all of these based on myth. Which do you agree with? If none, how would you define the problem? * Islam is from the Devil, or it is just the evil root of terrorism, denies human rights especially to women, and restricts the freedoms we support in an open democratic society. All this represents a threat to the principles and life styles of American citizens. * We don't want America to become an Islamic Nation ruled by Sharia law. * We don't want Islamic values to infiltrate our system, or restrictions they would try to force on our communities. * Jesus said to turn the other cheek, Mohammad did the opposite. * Jesus said to love your enemies, Islam is a religion of pillage, violence, and compulsion, which it has justified and glorified. * If they want Islam why don't they go live in an Islamic country instead of trying to force it on people in America who don't want it.