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To: tejek who wrote (584991)	9/10/2010 5:00:51 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575597

No, you look....I am well aware that there are evangelicals of every color....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton come to mind and I have not treated them any differently. However, there are many more prominent white evangelicals than there are black or brown or yellow or red. Only because whites are a minority. Nonwhite folks are just as likely to be evangelicals as whites. But you are right in that I do set a higher standard when it comes to American evangelicals. Why? Because we are better educated, more democratic and better economically. Should those conditions not make a difference? You mean you think we're more civilized. First off, many Muslims are well educated and affluent. Osama bin Ladin, for example. Zawahiri, the doctor, for another example. The guy who tried to blow up a vehicle in NYC recently. KSM, who confessed to beheading that reporter named Pearl, went to college in North Carolina. The ME was civilized thousands of years before northern Europe. If anything they should be more civilized than us. Don't liberals always brag about how advanced Islam was in the middle ages (remember you posting about the glories of Cordoba)? I think those boasts are gross exaggerations but apparently you folks don't even believe the stuff you say. Muslims on the other hand are, in your mind, brown third worlders and you EXPECT them to be murderous savages .... so you have a very low standard of behavior expected for them. No, I don't. Their behavior is abhorrent. But I don't share this country with terrorist Muslims but I do share it with American evangelicals. Yes, there are terrorists here now. I've mentioned the guy who tried to blow up a vehicle in NYC already .... there is also the Ft Hood shooter and the guys who plotted to attack Ft Dix in NJ, I could go on and on with examples here. Thus its easy for you to equate one American pastor of a tiny church threatening to burn a koran with mobs of thousands of Muslims chanting death to America, terrorists who kill Christian aid workers, cut off people's heads, set explosives in markets ..... So then, you don't care if his Koran burnings impact the troops in Afghanistan. Is that what you are telling us? Sure I do. But he is less responsible for Muslims killing Americans than the Muslims who commit the crimes. You should direct your outrage at the people you know are bloodthirsty killers. Tell me, what about violence over the Mohammed cartoons in Denmark? Do you think that cartoonist was as horrible as Terry Jones?

To: tejek who wrote (584991)	9/10/2010 5:02:07 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575597

TheDC Analysis: The Bonfire of the Koranities By Jamie Weinstein - The Daily Caller \| Published: 10:55 AM 09/10/2010 \| Updated: 1:07 PM 09/10/2010 By Jamie Weinstein - The Daily Caller If Saturday’s planned Koran burning goes ahead as scheduled (it is currently “on hold“) and people around the world are harmed as a result, the outrage should not be directed at the Koran burners, but the lunatics who would kill others over what a bunch of nobodies did on their own private property that harmed no one in a city that most of those likely to be violently outraged have surely never heard of. Terry Jones, the Gainesville, Fla. pastor who is spearheading the Sept. 11 Koran burning, is quite transparently a moron. And burning Korans is a hateful, condemnable act. Let’s make that clear from the start. But what is all the commotion about? There are a lot of idiots who do stupid things for publicity in this country. Have you seen the show “Jackass”? The idiots we should be primarily concerned about are the ones that harm others. And Terry Jones, as far as I am aware, has never proposed doing that. As bigoted as he may be, he isn’t urging his followers to physically harm anyone. He isn’t even planning to be as confrontational as to burn Korans in front of Muslims. What he is going to do if his moronic stunt goes forward is exercise his First Amendment right, however misguided his point, by burning some books on private property. If it hasn’t been stated outright, we have been led to believe by the media narrative that Jones himself should be held morally responsible for any deaths that result from his planned provocation. If so, then the media, too, should be held morally culpable. After all, some sorry sap on Facebook has more friends than Jones has followers. Yet the media — especially MSNBC — is covering the story as if Sarah Palin is teaming up with Rush Limbaugh to burn Korans live on Fox News. The real question is why there isn’t more outrage directed at the monsters who would get so enraged as to threaten to kill random Americans because of what some Chester Arthur look-alike decided to do in his backwoods shack. Isn’t that a tad bit more outrageous? The people who are outraged at Terry Jones but aren't saying anything about the Muslims who they say will kill people over his stunt really do think Muslims are savages and have a right to be savages. Speaking of outrage, what’s worse, the fact some freak show plans to burn an infinitesimal fraction of the Korans that exist in the United States, or the fact that Christians and Jews, as well as those from other religious traditions, including different Muslim traditions, are systematically discriminated against in many Muslim countries? In Saudi Arabia, for instance, according a 2009 State Department report on religious freedom, “Conversion by Muslims to another religion (apostasy) and proselytizing by non-Muslims are punishable by death under the Islamic laws adopted by the country …” I think I’ll save my outrage for such systematic religious discrimination, sanctioned by actual governments around the world, rather than what some looney tunes no one supports plans to do in north Florida that will physically harm no one. Next: Don’t let terrorists censor us On principle, I don’t think we should be censoring ourselves because of what some terrorists threaten to do to us. Take Jones and his offensive stunt out of the equation. Many people, myself included, supported Everybody Draw Mohammad Day, which was sponsored by several publications, because it was an important demonstration of our free speech rights against those fanatics who seek to censor what we can and cannot publish through violence or threats of violence. And it was well understood that that demonstration of free speech could have resulted in deaths in the United States as well as around the world. I can see, if not understand, where the mindset comes from that compels people to want to blame the violent actions of terrorists on others. It is a little like those who say that the girl in a short skirt and a low cut top deserved what she got. Some may be comfortable with that line of reasoning. I’m not. I don’t consider myself a big proponent of book burning, no matter whether the book in question is the Koran, Mein Kampf or even a Fabio novel. So, at the end of the day, I hope Jones will stand down, not because of the threats, but because the act itself is unsupportable. But if Terry Jones is the best example of Christian extremism — as my friends on Facebook and elsewhere seem to want to portray him — than this just further highlights the wide gap between Christian extremism, that can be bigoted but harms no one, and Islamic extremism, that is undoubtedly bigoted and threatens human life around the world. Read more: dailycaller.com