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To: one_less who wrote (585440)	9/14/2010 7:01:36 AM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1577033

Mohammad's life (Sayings and Actions) is the example. Mohammad was a man not a divine being but he is considered to be protected from sin. So how he dealt with all his issues is considered to be an example for all Muslims. He made typical human mistakes but mistakes like making a bad choice or tripping which he would then correct, mistakes not equal to a sin which is based in bad intention. So a man, not a God or of God who was a righteous example of how to deal with life. That's why I consider negative stuff about Mohammed in the Sira and Hadith's so bad. Whether the books are of God, they are guides to right behavior. ------------------------------------------------ Prior to Islam women were considered chattle, infantaside on girls was an acceptable cultural practice in Arabia. Women were proclaimed equal at the dawn of Islam and infantaside was forbidden. It was one of the reasons, Mohammad was not taken serious by the tough tribal culture initially. I realize you probably find that hard to believe. No, I believe that. That was common in the ancient Roman empire and elsewhere in the world. Even today, female infanticide via dna testing and abortion is common many places. However, while Islam may be an advance over some things, few Muslim countries really give women equal freedom to men. As far as I can see. IOW what was an advance in the 8th century isn't still an advance in the 21st. ----------------------------------------------- "Muslims can live sober strait-laced lives without enforcing sharia on the rest of society .... like many Christian groups do." Sure but it doesn't stop Christians from wanting a more righteous culture and praying to God to bring about such changes, then going into society to do their part in ridding society of social ills. Sharia is a word that scares you but in civilized decent modern societies it doesn't look much different than what we are doing now. It can be f'd up just like any system, and we both are aware of that. But not much worse than our judges letting pedophile perps and heinous criminals go. I don't see it as a threat but understandably some Muslims don't trust a system that has activist judges like that so they feel more confidence in a Sharia court. I think they have it in Canada as a choice for people who prefer it. Here's the deal, we KNOW by example what sharia produces and I don't want any of it here. It has a track record. Frankly, I think the idea that sharia could be applied in a free and democratic country and that country stay free and democratic .... is similar to leftists thinking 'this time socialism will work'. ------------------------------------------- Isn't conversion from Islam illegal in almost all Muslim countries? I was referring to Conversion to Islam not the other direction. But what you said is pretty much the case even though executions for that in modern times are extremely rare in practice. I think it comes from Hadith interpretation. The Muslims under Mohammad's leadership who converted away from Islam would take information to the enemy which would be used to kill Muslims, when Arabia became a battle zone to the death for Muslims. If you are going over to the enemy during time of war you are a traitor, which carries the death penalty even in this day in time. Related stuff we are hearing about in modern times is radical extremism, IMO and extremely rare. How many converts away from Islam in Europe or the Americas have been executed? Most of the rest of your post is accurate reporting or observations. Much of it is anecdotal Salman Rushdie was mass crazyness. A professor's email, not too typical. Even if many Muslims thought that way they are not serious about it even in closed circles. A persecuted woman in Milasia, OK. Personally, that conversion from Islam is forbidden one way or another in all Muslim countries is evidence that if Muslims achieve political power, they can be relied on to make themselves a legally privileged group. If a chaplain at a big liberal university like Harvard can defend the death penalty as being okay for apostasy, who wouldn't? ---------------------------------------------------- >>>These educated decent people you know are probably very well read on Islamic teachings and are most likely not ignoring or denying anything. "I don't know about that." I do. I know a lot of them and they never stop flapping their yaps about what is wrong with all the other Muslims and how they have screwed things up. Most are not in any way shy about that. American citizens least ways. You wouldn't have seen that under Saddam or under the King of Saudi Arabia, while in Arabia. But go to London and listen to immigrants from Arabia rant about the need to overthrow the royal family, no hesitation at all. Certainly, they've tasted freedom of thought and speech from living in western countries - its nice.