To: Hawkmoon who wrote (66205 ) 9/19/2010 1:32:09 AM From: TobagoJack 1 Recommendation Respond to <<I'm assuming you mean the shootings at Kent State during the Vietnam war by National Guard soldiers?>> (i) ... that, and earlier, starting from the get go, with effects to this very day, and well beyond. <<Do you have any concept of how dramatic an impact that action had upon the overall of US society?>> ... obviously not dramatic enough, per (i). <<It happened, it was wrong.. and it created political change and the government was held accountable at the polls.>> ... accountable? accountable by retirement? <<Btw, it's a MAJOR DIFFERENCE when a government uses military force to suppress the voicing of it's citizens will via demonstrations BECAUSE THEY LACK ANY POLITICAL MEANS OF DOING SO VIA ELECTIONS.>> ... gee, tell that to the indians and the kent state students, and ask them whether there is a major difference, capitalized or in small letters. <<Demonstrations in a democratic society have little excuse for becoming violent since participants ultimately have the ability to exercise their vote at the polls to hold the government accountable.>> ... assuming the votes are worth more than the paper from which the ballots are made out of. And btw BJ, why do you continue to equate HK as reflective of the policies of Bejing? From my perspective Bejing is exploiting the capitalist entrepreneurialship of what UK administration created over the past 160 years. ... and btw bj, if freedom hong kong is exploited, let us be exploited some more. uk created? how many millions of uk folks created hong kong? why is uk not better off than hong kong? <<As for the "drug war" and US responsibility for Mexico's plight, my off the cuff response is that it's a border control issue. The US federal government has been consistently derelict in controlling it's borders. This is evidenced by the number of illegal immigrants we have living here.>> << at least you are not proposing that since the areas under mexican drug lords control are effectively lawless, and so laws that are effectively nil cannot be broken, and so the mexican drug lords are within their right to 'push' drugs nto the usa which pulls so hard on the same drug, and so should there be a drug war, mexican drug lords would be in the right, and team usa in the wrong. <<But there is a growing debate about legalizing marijuana as a means of transferring the profits from the cartels to the coffers of the Federal and State governments. I'm not particularly opposed to this if the majority of tax revenues are directed into rehabilitation and de-tox.>> ... the mexican drug lords are pushing marijuana?! is that what the fuss is all about, weed? do you understand the situation correctly? <<... But this is not going to solve the overall lack of public order, if not a threat to Mexico's political existence, by criminal organizations. Increasingly Mexico is becoming a "Narco-state". And the amount of violence there is rivaling the human toll we've seen in Afghanistan, and currently in Iraq.>> what is the common denominator for the failed states of mexico, iraq, and afghanistan?
