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To: tejek who wrote (83379)9/22/2010 10:00:42 AM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
President Obama to Frustrated Liberals:

'Wake Up! This Is Not Some Academic Exercise!'

September 20, 2010

At an intimate fundraising dinner for the DNC in the Pyramid Club on the top floor of the BNY Mellon Building in downtown Philadelphia, President Obama gave his standard speech about how the first task of his administration “was to stop the bleeding, to stabilize the economy, and we’ve done that.”

Citing “eight consecutive months of private sector job growth,” the president derided Republicans “saying no to everything we proposed. ... Their model was, ‘No we can’t.’”

The president this evening said he wanted supporters to understand that “we are just in the first quarter here. We’ve gotten a lot of stuff done, but we’ve got a lot more work to do.”

He criticized Democrats who complain that “the health care plan didn’t have a public option,” or say to him, “'You ended the war in Iraq but haven’t completely finished the Afghan war yet.'”

His message to them: “Folks wake up! This is not some academic exercise. As Joe Biden put it, Don’t compare us to the Almighty, compare us to the alternative.”

“It was easy showing up for the inauguration even though it was cold,” the president said, recalling, ”I’m polling at 70 percent, Beyoncé and Bono are singing. But I believe that the reason you got involved at the outset was not because we had cool pollsters, not because it was the trendy thing to do, not just because my predecessor had become unpopular, but because at some level we understood that the American dream had served each of us very well.”

It was not clear whom the president was talking about, specifically, but earlier today, at a town hall meeting broadcast by CNBC, the president was confronted by the angst of some frustrated supporters.

One woman, Velma Hart, described herself as a mother, a wife, a veteran and “one of your middle-class Americans. And, quite frankly, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the mantle of change that I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now. I have been told that I voted for a man who said he was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. I'm one of those people. And I'm waiting, sir. I'm waiting.”

Ted Brassfield, 30, said, “Like a lot of people in my generation, I was really inspired by you and by your campaign and the message that you brought, and that inspiration is dying away. It feels like the American dream is not attainable to a lot of us. ... Is the American dream dead for me?”

The president told them “my goal here is not to try to convince you that everything's where it needs to be. It's not. That's why I ran for president. But what I am saying is, is that we're moving in the right direction.”

-Jake Tapper

blogs.abcnews.com



To: tejek who wrote (83379)9/22/2010 11:04:44 AM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Would you like some values with that tea?

Delaware GOP Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell this weekend attended the annual conservative Values Voters summit in Washington, DC. There, she she emphasized that although she is backed by the Tea Party, she is also a politician who "toiled for years in the values movement," alluding to her longtime work as a Christian activist.

What is the Tea Party? Is it "a recession-era version of the religious right?" Is it something else? And if the Tea Party is not a religious movement, why is it raising up candidates like O'Donnell who has a strong background of religious activism?
The Tea Party winners are the new darlings of conservative political strategists. The "Christian values" group wants to regain their role in political power brokering, as was clear from the jockeying for position at the recent "Values Summit." It's tempting to try to put together folks who have very different motives for their conservatism, but, as often happens with temptation, the reality doesn't work out so well. In fact, this looks like an increasingly unstable and unworkable coalition.
Tea Party fiscal conservatives and right-wing Christian "values voters" do not have agendas that go together easily or well. Of course, that's not exactly new. These two American conservative movements have not gone together smoothly or well for a while now. It is also the case that the Tea Party has taken over from the more traditional fiscal conservatives, and that is another complicating factor.
Some of the more "traditional" fiscal conservatives (but by no means all) have become very alarmed by the role of the religious right in the Republican Party. Not all Republican fiscal conservatives are as erudite as Kevin Phillips, but Phillips' career and writings actually track the developments in American fiscal conservatism from an increasing disaffection with "values voters" to, at least in Phillips case, down-right horror. Phillips was a famous Republican party strategist, and credited with being the architect of the "Southern Strategy" of the 1970's and 1980's. His disaffection with conservatism includes his explicit rejection of "Christian politics," was well described in his work American Theocracy. His even more recent book, Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism, skewers far-Right Christian theology and its virtually numbing effect on the American voter. "The preoccupation of Americans awaiting the Rapture or the tremors of Armageddon...kept another band of voters essentially unconcerned about budget deficits, peak oil, or the perils of the U.S. dollar." (p. 91).

The Tea Party version of fiscal conservatism is not quite so insightful or informed as Phillips, but it's not about "traditional Christian values" either. At their rallies, Tea Party activists carry signs denouncing President Obama and what they call "Obamacare;" they call for lower taxes, less government spending (except for Social Security and Medicare), and decry "socialism." A common Tea Party sign quotes the Roman philosopher Cicero, "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice," though those making the signs often attribute the quotation to Barry Goldwater. Melanie Morgan, a former talk show host and activist in the Tea Party Express, described the fiscal lens of the Tea Party to USA TODAY. "This is not a movement based on social issues...Many conservatives are involved only because of the fiscal aspect of smaller government, of lower taxation, of an accountability as far as the debt is concerned, the runaway spending by the liberal Congress."
The "Christian Right," the self-styled "values voters," on the other hand, are motivated primarily by their religiously based opposition to abortion, and to equal civil rights for gay people. Their signs tend to quote verses from the Biblical texts of Leviticus, not Roman civic philosophy or the speeches of Barry Goldwater.
"Values voters" were discovered by political strategists like Karl Rove, and used to motivate conservatives to vote Republican, as was done successfully for the election and then re-election of George W. Bush. Young "true believers" like David Kuo, attracted by the rhetoric, ultimately came to believe that his Christian faith was being manipulated for crass political ends. In his book Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seducation, Kuo talks about how he found himself recruited into "helping to manipulate religious faith for political gain." Kuo now blogs about these issues and their complexity.
Temptation, the theme of Kuo's book, is the right word. The Tea Party winners tempt conservative political strategists; the "values" group is tempted by the political power and wants in again, despite their past experiences of being used for votes and cast aside when it comes to policy. Maybe they hope history will not repeat itself.
But temptation works both ways. More prominent conservatives such as Karl Rove or even Glenn Beck seem both tempted and repelled by what the Tea Party is bringing them in the way of candidates. They are tempted by the winning, but they are also clearly repelled by some of the views or practices of the candidates this movement thrusts into the limelight. When it was revealed that Tea Party darling Christine O'Donnell has "dabbled in Witchcraft" and had a midnight picnic on a "satanic altar," Glenn Beck called it "creepy," Representative Mike Pence (R-IN) said "she has some explaining to do," and Karl Rove said the voters of Delaware "are probably going to want to know what that was all about." Michael Gerson put it best, in my view, when he said, "this adds to an aura of oddness."
It's true, politics and religion today have become extremely odd. Will "odd" still equate with "winning"? Who knows?

By Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite
| September 21, 2010;

onfaith.washingtonpost.com



To: tejek who wrote (83379)9/22/2010 12:06:46 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Obama is starting to change his cabinet and positions because of the pressure from the left. We had to do it, he wouldn't listen.

We are goign to get massacred in Novemeber becasue Obama never addressed the depression and jobs like he said he would.

Chris mathews last night show many of Obamas campaign promises and then showed/contrrasted what he actually did.

He is still fucking around with DADT. He should end it right now. He can you know. It is blatantly unconsitutional. And he knows it.

Should we have also dragged our feet on integration in the 60's? Until the racist's came around. Obama is sayig in effect, as Lady Gaga mentioned: "we are letting the homophobics decide the agenda". How deos that make sense?