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To: SteveF who wrote (2395)	9/28/2010 9:11:46 AM
From: scion	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 53574

More Questions and Answers from John on Facebook: Answers to a few questions: 1) Our fuel can be sold to a refinery. We looked into that last year and I expect many of the JV's will go this route at first. See below for more detail (we need a FAQ) 2) The fuel blending site does NOT need any clean up. I`ll try to set up a small fuel FAQ in notes this week. rowgr Share Monday, March 15, 2010 12:12:17 PM Re: None Post # of 71206 More Questions and Answers from John on Facebook: Answers to a few questions: 1) Our fuel can be sold to a refinery. We looked into that last year and I expect many of the JV's will go this route at first. See below for more detail (we need a FAQ) 2) The fuel blending site does NOT need any clean up. I`ll try to set up a small fuel FAQ in notes this week. (JA) certainly the questions are frequently asked, mostly by the same people... Here's one that is hopefully not too redundant and not too proprietary: If a processor can run 15 tons in 2 hours, then it can run 32,850 tons a year at 50% duty cycle. I find data putting the municipal waste stream at 30 million tons, which appears to put a saturation ... See Morepoint as a fraction of 1000 processors. Admittedly 100 or so would be nice, but since many shareholders appear to expect 1000's of machines and you are quoted as insisting you won't need to pay for plastic, I have to assume one of two things - I've not accounted for the correct available material stream or some shareholders have a misconception about the flow of materials. (JG) How close is this answer that I posted? Waste destined for landfill is not presorted. So we're talking about garbage going into processors, not just waste plastic. So that can certainly explain the need for more processors than you are basing your numbers on. John has been talking about 2500 JV sites (in 5-10 yrs.?), each site with two processors. ... See More The EPA site says that plastic makes up 12% of the MSW waste stream: epa.gov I would think that JBII will first go after industrial plastic waste that will represent more than 12% of what is placed into the processor. The low hanging fruit. So I would expect the results to be better in the initial years. All of this does not change the amount of waste plastic, 30 million tons, in the MSW waste stream. (JA) Good. Leaves me looking for the industrial waste stream flow rate... Always good to have more homework. Also raises a new question. I read this as 15 million tons of stuff go into the processor and XX% of it is plastic. A conversion rate (pints per pound or liters per kilo) is then XX * YY where I have assumed YY is 75% in my conservative markdown of the guidance given. Is this how I should read that? John Bordynuik (assumed YY is 75%): That is very conservative. On the last run we got 90.47% fuel (derived from industrial plastics). John Bordynuik We are limiting junk going into the processor so that it needs fewer cleanout cycles. We will be receiving plastic and I have received bails from several sources and it is plastic without junk. John Bordynuik (your first message). 1) A reasonable plastic estimate for industrial and municipal plastic waste is that 70,000 people create enough plastic to support one processor. 2) Your math does not look right. We will not saturate at 1000 processors. Even 2500 JV's won't make much of a dent in it. Processors will process 20 tons/day (conservative). ... See MoreWe cut this in half for our internal use. There will be two processors per site. So conservatively, with one processor running (implying one out of two) we will do 109 barrels/day/site. (JA) John, OK. I had assumed 6 2 hour cycles a day at 15 tons per cycle. Obviously some shareholders string together all of the "best case" comments and build unrealistic expectations. At 20 tons/day just the MWS 30 million tons a year support a fraction of 8200 machines at saturation. I assume industrial stream is larger? John Bordynuik The industrial stream is much larger. We have no lack of plastic. It comes down to permitting, building, site plans, We will be processing the low hanging fruit first as there is so much of it. John Bordynuik ( all of the "best case" ) -- I don't think so. At 40,000 barrels/year per processor being conservative... the numbers are quite staggering. That is why we are "all in" with P2O. siliconinvestor.com