To: one_less who wrote (588119 ) 9/29/2010 7:54:00 PM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571313 Are you saying that the Taliban targets and kills more civilians than other sources, that more civilians are killed incidentally by Taliban attacks, or that the Taliban is more culpable for civilian deaths than other sources? The first and the last, and possibly the 2nd are true. But what I was actually saying is that they kill more civilians. That includes both those that they intentionally target (compared to almost zero for the US, and actually zero if you count only those targeted as part of policy rather than by particular Americans acting in a criminal manner), and those that they kill accidentally. I'm not saying the 2nd number is larger as a hard an fast fact (although I suspect it is), but that the combination is larger. "They seem to occur wherever the Taliban has any degree of power." They are not in power They are not "in power", but they still have power. More in some areas than others. " Reality in the age of reason is not defined by what some political authority declares for you "I said never implied anything remotely resembling that idea." Sure you did. You ignored the possibility that their direct experience was a valid judge of justice effecting them personally and their local conditions, No I didn't. I didn't ignore the possibility of that their direct experience was a valid judge of justice effecting them. I was commenting on who's killing them. Also if I actually had ignored the possibility of their experience and perceptions being valid or true, that still doesn't vaguely resemble arguing that reality is defined by what some political authority declares. It would be saying their wrong, not saying their wrong because some political authority says so. Also I think many of the Afghanis, with their local knowledge and experience, understand that the Taliban do the majority of the civilian killing, and that they are (as you agreed) atrociously abusive.