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To: TobagoJack who wrote (66921)10/7/2010 10:09:20 AM
From: Hawkmoon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217944
 
So bubbles are the fault of the sellers, not the buyers?

The internet bubble was the fault of Wall St. and not the speculative fervor of the investor community?

If I buy your apartment for the outrageous price you're selling it at, and it then goes down in value, it's your fault, not mine?

china is very far away from the center of blame,... trying not to be stiffed

My view is that if China is willing to pump their profits into the US debt in order to maintain their favorable currency peg, it's more THEIR fault than that of the US.

But I guess you're no different than many folks no sitting in homes that are well underwater.. It's instinctive to blame those who "screwed" you out of your money..

Balance in any system is maintained, not solely by one side of the exchange equation (supply or demand), but both sides.

Hawk



To: TobagoJack who wrote (66921)10/7/2010 1:59:33 PM
From: Maurice Winn3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217944
 
TJ, I lost big heaps of money in the Globalstar failure. I had worked diligently, saved fanatically, invested cautiously and prudently, tried very hard not to be stiffed but lost my money: <china is very far away from the center of blame, just doing its systemic reform, working diligently, saving, investing, and trying not to be stiffed>

It didn't occur to me to blame the USA government, or our great and estimable venerable idol Alan Greenspan KBE, nor the China government, nor the people in China working diligently and saving who provided funds for me to borrow. It didn't even occur to me that the US$ I borrowed might have been loaned by somebody in China.

While Globalstar management decisions were the proximate cause of the business failure, it was my decision and mine alone to borrow and buy, even though I had spent a lot of time to investigate the company and people running it and had misgivings about their marketing decisions. The share price had collapsed so far from the peak of $53 to $13 [my buy price] that I didn't want to be greedy and wait for a lower price lest I miss out as they changed their marketing ideas and things came right. They did NOT change their ideas. They carried on down to zero.

It didn't occur to me that Congress should do some tarping and give me a load of loot, nor that Alan Greenspan should do some quantitative easing and refill my coffers. Nor that I should feel malign to my creditors who were repaid in full. I did join a class action suit against Bernie Schwartz who had misled investors by asserting that the company was "on plan" when in fact it was not, because the undisclosed reality of sales was leading directly to bankruptcy. Boosting confidence is good, deceit is bad.

After the sharemarket bubble, people then went on to create an enormous real estate bubble: "I am a Mindless Zombie" here: Subject 53236 <Feel free to whine here about how your Mindless Zombie brain was paralyzed, had a hole in it or something and it's all Uncle Al's fault, and that's why you lost your money. You have not heard of free will. You didn't have a clue what were doing. You didn't know you could short Bubblonia. You couldn't just hold cash [although Microsoft and a lot of others who are notably intelligent didn't seem to have a problem with it]. >

Now they are whining and tarping and quantitatively easing and blaming creditors in China and workers who are working for low pay to buy some food to eat. It's pathetic.

I don't even blame the management of Globalstar for my loss because it was me who decided that while they were not the El Supreme people who would make a huge success, I thought they would see the error of their ways and fix their marketing. The error in judgment was mine. I failed as an investor. It's fun to feel under control and not at the whim of invisible forces. Taking responsibility for one's own decisions is enjoyable [if somewhat arrogant].

So the house buyer should blame themselves for borrowing to pay such an obviously absurdly high price without having a means of repaying the loan and without needing such a huge house to live in. The mortgagees should blame themselves for lending to such an obviously indigent, impecunious, dishonest, misanthrope. Congressors should blame themselves for voting to require Fannie and Freddie to lend like there's no tomorrow which there might not be thanks to their decisions. People in China should blame themselves for thinking that if they work really hard for low pay and save hordes of hoards of US$ they will be repaid for their efforts. People in China should have asked themselves "Will a nation of morbidly obese people addicted to various drugs work hard to return the favour I have done of working hard to provide goods to them in exchange for those US$ I have in the bank? Especially when they have the power to repudiate the debt by way of self-dealing quantitative easing aka money printing like Zimbabwe." It is not a sure bet that they will trim down and get back to work. So the US$ continues down the gurgler and gold continues towards the 31 December 2010 price of $1,400 per ounce as predicted by Mqurice the Marvelous 2 years ago using financial relativity theory.

Mqurice



To: TobagoJack who wrote (66921)10/8/2010 2:07:57 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 217944
 
Bubble fears as emerging markets soar. The question now is not about emerging economies’ strengths: they have proved their resilience, not least in the 2008-09 crisis. It is whether investors have got carried away in chasing these prospects.

Hogging still going on "say the bulls, the investment world lags behind reality. While emerging economies now account for more than 30 per cent of global GDP, US, European and Japanese financial institutions have between them only about 2-7 per cent of their $50,000bn of assets in the emerging world.

Points to emerging market skyrocketing without US, European and Japanese financial institutions

Bubble fears as emerging markets soar

By Stefan Wagstyl and David Oakley in London

Published: October 7 2010 20:45 | Last updated: October 7 2010 20:45

How long will the party last? On the one hand, World Bank and International Monetary Fund officials warn of the dangers of too much money rushing into emerging markets. On the other, fund managers pile into these countries, driving their currencies and markets to post-crisis peaks.

As the dollar has tumbled against emerging counterparts this week, Robert Zoellick, World Bank president, has talked of currency “tensions” and “the risk of bubbles”. The IMF, in its global financial stability report, said: “The prospect of heavy capital inflows would be destabilising.”

Stock markets, though, especially those of south-east Asia, are not listening. Instead, they are soaring. Indonesia, the Philippines and Colombia have hit all-time record peaks this week. Brazil and India are trading not far short.

Key emerging market currencies are up, too, with India’s rupee, South Africa’s rand and the Brazilian real at post-crisis highs. The Thai baht is at a 13-year peak. Bonds are bringing up the rear among emerging market financial assets, but the spreads over US government debt are tight. The JPMorgan EMBI+ index of US-dollar denominated bonds is trading at about 275 basis points over Treasuries, against 900 during the crisis.

The question now is not about emerging economies’ strengths: they have proved their resilience, not least in the 2008-09 crisis. It is whether investors have got carried away in chasing these prospects.

The bulls say that if these economies are growing fast, so will the returns they generate. Nigel Rendell, senior strategist at RBC Capital Markets, says: “Investors are still switching into emerging markets across asset classes because they are expected to grow much more strongly than in the developed world. That’s the real driver – and that will last for a decade.”

In equities, the MSCI emerging market stock index trades at around 13 times forecast 2010 earnings, or 11 times 2011. This is in line with their five-year average and just short of the 14 times on which US stocks now trade.

Jonathan Garner, of Morgan Stanley, says: “I don’t think anyone can claim that emerging market equities are in a bubble, as valuations are fair. The markets may have risen sharply since the summer, but the market was looking cheap then.”

In bonds, the most widely-followed indicator is the JP Morgan EMBI+ index, which is now trading at around 275 basis points above US Treasuries. This is well down from its crisis peak of 904, but is still a bit short of its pre-crisis low of 146.

Brett Diment, head of emerging market debt at Aberdeen Asset Managers, says: “Clearly, you can’t make the same kind of returns as you would have if you had bought bonds six months or a year ago, but they still look like good bets.”

All this is supported, say the bulls, by currency appreciation, driven by trade performance and investment inflows, which boost the relative prices of emerging market assets compared with the developed world. Catch-up in currencies reflects catch-up in economic development.

Furthermore, say the bulls, the investment world lags behind reality. While emerging economies now account for more than 30 per cent of global GDP, US, European and Japanese financial institutions have between them only about 2-7 per cent of their $50,000bn of assets in the emerging world.

Even allowing for the fact that emerging economies have far smaller financial markets, there is still scope for huge asset re-allocation.

Figures from the International Institute of Finance, the bankers’ club, show how confidence in these arguments has grown since the spring. The IIF this week sharply raised its forecast for capital inflow into emerging economies from an April prediction of $709bn to $825bn.

For the IMF, fund managers’ habits are the core of the problem: with a powerful herd instinct, they tend to move together and risk swamping markets with their buckets of money. As the Fund’s report says: “Investor flow data suggests emerging markets tend to suffer from herding behaviour.”

Moreover, as the Fund points out, the global economy remains in a fragile condition, with big debts and deficits overhanging the developed world. So, the bulls’ arguments that today’s valuations are in line with those of 2005-10 may not be valid. The world economy wobbled badly in 2008-09 and has yet to find a new point of balance.

A key driver of investor behaviour is the prospect of another round of “quantitative easing” led by the US and Japan. For the bulls this is bullish – there will be lots of cheap cash to invest. For many bears it is worrying – QE risks triggering instability and inflation.

Abdallah Guezour, an emerging market bonds fund manager at Schroders, the UK asset management group, says that while quantitative easing will support demand for emerging market currencies for a while, the “aggressive printing of money globally won’t change the underlying situation in western economies but will generate bubbles, perhaps in 12-24 months.”

Timothy Ash, head of emerging markets strategy at the Royal Bank of Scotland, is a bull who has turned a little bearish. He recently told beyondbrics, the FT’s emerging markets online hub: “These are generally still poor countries with weak institutional structures, huge levels of income inequality, political fissures, difficult business environments and high levels of corruption.

“I am still not sure that these factors are now being priced in: the gush of developed market QE is blinding us to the risks?.?.?.?A new bubble is being inflated. It probably hasn’t yet reached a level of leverage which risks being pricked, but once we see signs of growth and inflation again in the G7+ the downside risks will be immense.”

For the moment, the momentum of the markets is with the bulls. But if it turns for any reason – and the world is not short of such reasons – the correction could come swiftly.