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To: Robert Winchell who wrote (234)	11/10/1997 8:19:00 PM
From: Columbo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1600

Welcome back. It was boring around here. This is part of what I don't understand - Sun controls Java. Period. I would like to see some lifting of control, but here's the catch-22. If you leave it to some government board, they'll ruin it. You've hit on an important things- "Promises" write once-run everywhere. I have an app that is deployed world wide for our corporation. The users use Macs, WinTel, and some Unix. Do you have any idea the advantage of not having to distribute the application world wide and make sure it is correctly loaded and runs on everyones machine? Do you realize these f$%^%ing users make changes in their dreams? Can you imagine distributing the weekly changes the "users" ask for? However, if you are writing something complex, such as 3D graphics applications or the like, you are going to want to be able to take advantage of clients that may have 3D accelerator boards or specialized hardcopy devices. This really isn't a feasible solution in Java. This is what JAVA 3D is for (to compete with VRML). You do know that Java still runs on the local machine? Not somewhere else. You'll change your tune when the networks speed up and we have "Webtone", which is similiar to "Dialtone". MH #0

To: Robert Winchell who wrote (234)	11/11/1997 1:03:00 AM
From: Gerald R. Lampton	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1600

Dear Robert: >This is part of what I don't understand - Sun controls Java. Period. Why are people >deciding they would rather Sun control their destiny than MS control their destiny? >Also, why force all you developers to use the same language without exception? I'm sure that if positions were reversed, the corporate world would want an alternative to Sun. The point is: any time someone controls 90 percent of a resource that is vital to your business, you want alternatives. NOISE is the alternative to Microsoft. >You've hit on an important things- "Promises" write once-run everywhere. This is >simply not going to happen. Think of all the different Java Virtual Machines, on all the >different hardware, with different processing power and hardware. It just isn't going >to happen for any complex application. You are missing the point. You don't think Sun is working on these issues? Do you really think Java is going to stay static while Microsoft runs circles around it? Maybe it doesn't do everything it promises right now, but just wait 2 or 3 or 5 years. What is Microsoft's response going to be? "Windows everywhere"? Gimme a break! >This is a long way from proven. Again, you're missing the point. Windows 1.0 wasn't proven, either. But look what happended whne they got to 3.1! What's Mighty Microsaurus Rex going to do when we get to Java's equivalent of Windows 3.1? Java, with all its problems, is at the early stages of its development cycle. Windows is a mature product. Which do you think has the brighter future? >That being said, I think Java is an excellent language So why IS Microsoft so afraid of Java the platform? How come they didn't incorporate JFC and all the other technology Sun is suing Microsoft over? And if Java is such a lousy technology, when is Microsoft going to come up with a better cross-platform solution?