To: elmatador who wrote (67047 ) 10/9/2010 8:50:53 PM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218012 Make that $trillions now ElM. <Too many billions at stake to let Dr. Strangelove run the thing. > The point is, what are you going to do about it? It's not like intellectual property which you can just take and use yourself and not pay royalties. Empires have come in many forms ever since humans were chimps. Chimps have little empires. For most of human history, empires were pretty much just chimps writ large - genocidal alpha male territorial hunter-gatherer found wealth dominance hierarchies which attack neighbours, killed the males, took over the females and thereby expanded their territory, power and survival prospects. Then, there arose the idea of not necessarily murdering all the conquered males but bringing them into the community which resulted in a much faster agglomeration of power for the alpha males. That's how the Roman Empire and Islamic Jihad conquered such vast territories. Then, there came the British Empire type empire where slavery was not part of the deal, mutual benefit through creativity, production and trade became dominant, and society was run on Enlightenment rules with Christian brotherhood of man underpinnings. British subjects were automatically equalized. Maoris for example became British Subjects with the right to roam the Empire, just like other British subjects. That's why they signed up = it beat the heck out of living in ponga huts, eating shellfish and kumara or any neighbouring tribesman one could kill and cook. TJ thinks China is going to be the new sovereign, as though history is going to do instant replay back 600 years, [or some such Utopian era], to when China was more glorious [so they say but I bet life was bleak for the regular bloke, just as it was everywhere]. So far, all that's happening in China is that some autocratic totalitarians have temporarily got control of the loot and the population who are working for low pay, which is why so much production has been moved there. The new empire is not going to be centred in China. The most powerful community of interest is becoming Cyberspacoids who owe loyalty to Cyberspace, not to some atavistic territorial self-dealing kleptocrats who contrive to get power for a while. Mqurice