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To: Sdgla who wrote (276668)	10/21/2010 5:59:13 PM
From: Maurice Winn	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sun Tzu couldn't care less about people in Darfur, that's why. <So why not move on to how to stop the holocaust the Muslims are carrying out in the other parts of the world and focus on stopping that. > An accidental death or two of some innocents as part of self-defence by Israeli soldiers trying to stop rocket attacks by Palestinian jihadists is far more important to Sun Tzu than the hordes of deliberate bulk murders by Moslems in Darfur and elsewhere. Hey, Sun Tzu, what about the children of Beslan? Sun would probably say they were good hostages to take and if the Russians had just surrendered, the captors wouldn't have had to kill the children. Mqurice

To: Sdgla who wrote (276668)	10/29/2010 1:20:57 PM
From: Sun Tzu	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There are people who have drunk the cool aid and are punch drunk. Not you. You are swimming in it so deep that you can't even see there is a cool aid. You reply as to "What other way to resolve the issue at hand is there?" is the reason why Israel will never have peace. You are just incapable of seeing anything beyond a "final solution" of your own. From where you stand, it is ok to go take over someone's home and when they put up a fight, beat them more and claim that you've won their house fair and square in fight. The fact that you cannot see the immorality of your position would be astonishing, if it was not so pervasive amongst the pro-Israeli side. Regardless, the best punishment for Israel to sleep in the bed that it has made. Jews nursed their wounds for 2000 years to come back and do onto others as was done onto them. Perhaps after struggling with Pals for the next 2000 years, eventually they realize where they have gone wrong. have fun, ST

To: Sdgla who wrote (276668)	10/29/2010 3:34:01 PM
From: Sun Tzu	6 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Here are the "answers" you are looking for. None of them will solve your problem, which is why I didn't bother. But hey, have fun: >> What other way to resolve the issue at hand is there? It is called fairness, compassion, humanity, etc. It is the exact opposite of Hitler's stance that claimed when a worm crosses the path of the lion, the lion should just crush the worm and move on...It it the opposite of Hitler's claim that a great nation needs breathing space and it should take from the lesser inhabitants of the land...as much as you dislike it, the Israeli nationalist stance is not very different from Hitler's. Incidentally, the land of Israel, never justly belonged to the Jews. The same history that you claim as the roots of your claim, also says that Jews conquered the land through unspeakable atrocities and genocide. If you are going to claim the rewards of the genocides of the past generations, then you should also answer for those crimes. Are you prepared for that? >> [ST] You have no evidence that the Jews who returned to Israel were the direct descendants of those who left. >> [sdgla] Sure I do. You have the ability to research that info... you just either wont or are not willing to accept that data. You have not presented any evidence of such a thing. You expect the world to take you at your word. The so called "Cohen" haplogroup has been scientifically shown not to be indicative of middle eastern ancestry. Nor is it present in most Jews (which means even if you accept the haplogroup fairytale, a big chunk of Israelis have lineage to the land). The claim that Jews are a single nation is so absurd that even a blind can see it. Grab a 100 Israelis at random and you'll see that they look more like the native population of where they came from (Germany, Iran, Russia, wherever) than they look like each other. The fact that Zionists resort to such convoluted means to prove their point just goes to show how obscure that point is. Furthermore, let's assume that all the modern day Jews originated from the same place. What of it? I come from a very big family. I have 2nd and 3rd cousins who are scattered all over the world (France, Germany, Australia, Singapore, South Africa, US, Canada, you name it). We had a family reunion several years ago. Half of us had to struggle to find a common language to communicate. Be in in our attitudes towards food, sex, or just humor, we each had more in common with the country we were raised in than with each other. My brothers and I still joke about our French cousins. All this, while our common grandparents are still alive. In a thousand years, we'll resemble nothing of a family, let alone of a nation, no matter how much of the family tales we keep alive. There is no objective measure that can show modern day Jews uniquely represent a nation. Whatever "nationhood" they might have had eons ago, if at all true, was dissolved away in centuries past. So Zionists grasp at straws to draw arbitrary lines to show they are a nation. I have no expectations of you opening your eyes...but I had some more time before I start my weekend. So long, ST