To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (67561 ) 10/26/2010 4:23:42 PM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220065 BS, some values are human values and are better than others. For example, Adolf's genocidal extermination of Jews was not as good as my VVVs. < I would submit that it is racist to assume VVs are inherently better.. > For a start, you can't use "racist" because I used it first and the rules of debate are that the first one to use the r word wins. The other one can't use it too. Secondly, and more importantly, my global crusade to convert Jihadists and barbarians like TJ and China to OFDM/CDMA nirvana of peace, light, harmony, happiness, health, prosperity, longevity, fun and love is objectively better, superior, compliant with laws of nature and leading teleologically to Utopia whereas Adolf's values were not as good. When Iranians stone women to death perhaps it's a good thing in your book, and no better than my values. When Jihadists head-hack people to force compliance with Islam, you might be right that they are as right as I am and my values are no better. Values are not a grey ooze in which all are equally good. Maoris used to enslave anyone they could catch, and eat them. They didn't have refrigerators, so they kept prisoners on an island, breaking their legs and incapacitating them so they wouldn't start rotting before it was dinner time. It is presumptuous to think their values were better than mine. You think my VVV are no better. But Maoris of the day did and signed up to VVV and the Great and Glorious British Empire, bringing hope and change to their blighted lives. But it was actual change to a vastly improved lifestyle, unlike the Obamamania version of Hope and Change. Mqurice PS: <What was wrong with VVV that even the US told King George to take a hike :O) > For one thing, the Americans were keen on having Negroes as slaves, which the British Empire frowned on and eventually stopped by force of arms [not slavery in the USA but the trade in slaves across the seas]. Perhaps you think slavery was as good as VVV.