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To: Alighieri who wrote (591872)	10/29/2010 4:26:35 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579775

Exporting the know how, the real family jewels in exchange for short term cost reductions...guess what's beginning to happen? Independent companies start to emerge in these countries that turn into formidable competition for the very domestic companies that are exporting the expertise. In a few short years these very same companies will have competition like never before. They aren't "short term" cost reductions. They're as long term as they can be. That's why it happens. Nobody wants to do business in a country where the cost to hire people is inflated by such nonsense as government over-regulation, minimum wages for unskilled labor, massive commitments for gold-plated insurance plans, retirement packages that make no fiscal sense, and massive taxation on both the employee and the employer that make it impossible to make money. is that the playing field is not level. In any of these emerging countries a local company has many advantages that have nothing to do with the know how itself. Labor laws, subsidies, regulatory requirements, currency manipulation by their governments...you name it. Hilarious. The problem is United States non-competitiveness. Period. The same things that brought GM and DCX down.

To: Alighieri who wrote (591872)	10/29/2010 4:33:00 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579775

INTC builds one part of a semi chip in one location and adds a component in another location and then assembles the whole thing in a third location? When did INTC start this approach to making chips? TIA. Pretty standard for semi manufacturers. Almost all packaging (joining die to laminate and testing) is in Asia now. At IBM we built the die in Burlington VT, shipped full wafers to Korea or Singapore for packaging and tested the complete module in Ireland. Then shipped much of it back to Asia to a final customer...LOL...pretty crazy logistics but that's what we did. Almost all first level packaging is in Asia now... That I understand. We are talking small parts....packaging and shipping them is not that big deal. With Boeing, we are talking wings built in one country, the fuselage in another, the tail in still another. Then these big pieces are shipped mostly by boat from all over the world to Seattle. INTC is shipping parts by plane and gets overnite service. Imagine shipping wings from Japan or Italy to Seattle by boat. It takes forever. And the logistics are far more complicated. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me. They sold the concept on the premise they would get orders from those countries where the parts were getting built. Not sure they ever did but what's clear now is that with a 2 year delay, orders are getting cancelled left and right. You know, that cat is out of the bag already...can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. The real danger now is development labs setup by domestic companies in emerging countries like China, Vietnam, India...anyone who's who in the semi or semi equipment industry nowadays has HW and SW development labs overseas. You know what's being done there right? Exporting the know how, the real family jewels in exchange for short term cost reductions...guess what's beginning to happen? Independent companies start to emerge in these countries that turn into formidable competition for the very domestic companies that are exporting the expertise. In a few short years these very same companies will have competition like never before. That's right. Corps don't care about this country. They have one concern and one concern only......their bottom line. And people like Ten and inode and the rest of the wingers defend them ad nauseum. And the point these so called "free marketers" fail to recognize, well they know it actually but give way to short term greed and don't give a shit about long term consequences, is that the playing field is not level. In any of these emerging countries a local company has many advantages that have nothing to do with the know how itself. Labor laws, subsidies, regulatory requirements, currency manipulation by their governments...you name it. Great isn't it? We are fucking up the country and the chinese are laughing all the way to the bank. We spend hundreds of billions on military to presumably defend ourselves against them and they are subjugating us without firing a single shot. Exactly. And Obama knows it....that's why I am behind him 100%.