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Gold/Mining/Energy : Bio-Fuels: The Case for Micro-Algae -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jmhollen who wrote (81)	11/2/2010 1:49:20 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 121

The damn Krauts were running on 100% Ethanol at the end of WWII because they had next to no gasoline after the bombing at the Ploesti oil fields, etc. Not 100%, but it was fairly sizable.. but it was primarily methanol, not ethanol. What Nazi Germany truly relied upon during 1944-45 was synthetic fuels from coal. en.wikipedia.org airpower.maxwell.af.mil fischer-tropsch.org Hawk

To: jmhollen who wrote (81)	11/2/2010 5:31:08 PM
From: Condo	Respond to of 121

The corn myth is BS. Corn processed for human food here in Iowa is not affected at all by the Ethanol industry. The Farm Lobby is debunking Oil Lobby myths. Good. I think independence from Middle East oil is a matter of our survival. I think we need to kill OPEC, while we still can. Pay the world's farmers, not the terror-funding Saudis. We are out of time. Where the cheapest bio-fuel comes from doesn't matter: * Ethanol from American/Canadian/Mexican farms. * Ethanol from Brazil, without the 50% US tariff hit. * Ethanol made from tariff-free imported sugar. * Methanol made from farm remainders, wood chips, coal, natural gas, old tires, anything. I think Congress should pass a law, right now, mandating that all new cars sold in the U.S. be methanol-standard flex-fuel vehicles. That gives filling stations a demand incentive to supply E85 now and methanol soon. That gives consumers a choice of ethanol/methanol/gasoline. The U.S. is beyond broke. However... If there has to be a tax-subsidized floor under the price of bio-fuels, so be it. Better that than addiction to OPEC oil. You're closer to the ethanol scene, JM. How far will economies-of-scale bring down ethanol production costs?

To: jmhollen who wrote (81)	11/2/2010 10:46:56 PM
From: Condo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 121

- Part 2 - (That was an information-rich message you wrote.) >The problem with Ethanol is the back door BS interference by Big Oil and the fact that getting E-10 moved up to E-20 (a no brainer)* is being thwarted for no practical reason.< The latest gov't. myth is that cars built before 2000 may* have trouble running more than the present E-10. "May" being an Oil Lobby weasel word, no doubt. My current understanding is that ordinary gasoline car engines can accept up to 24% ethanol. Or more, unless your '77 Jeep V8 was unusual in some way. >E-85 is gradually growing as the auto industry produces more Flex vehicles. A FED mandate for E-20 would help the entire USA and begin eliminating the need for any subsidies; more volume always solves production cost problems - if plants add efficiency at the same time.< As I understand it, there are mountains of commercial corn all over the mid-west right now, produced by impressive machinery and fostered by gov't. corn programs. Congress could unravel this knot a lot quicker with E-20 and FFV mandates.