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To: koan who wrote (85041)11/7/2010 12:19:32 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 149317
 
This is a post from the DK...and its spot on why Dems lost the election. We lost the indie vote to the Rs. Why do you think we lost the indie vote to the Rs?

"Mark is dead wrong on several points.

"The voters who turned up to pull a lever or mark a page were older, whiter, and far more conservative than the ones who appeared in 2008 (or 2006)."

Completely wrong in his comparison to 2006. He CANNOT have looked at the data.

This time African American turnout was identical to the last off year election, 2006. The Latino vote (8%)was identical to 2006.

But surely, the young didn't show up?

In 2006 it was 12% of the electorate (2006 was a good year for Democrats). This year it was 11%, not really statistically different. Turnout was way down over 2008 (it was 18%) but turnout in that group always goes down in off year elections. In 2004 youth turnout was 17%. I don't remember anyone talking about the decline in youth vote here in 2006.

But there were more older people than in 2006, right.

No. in 2006 29% were older than 60, in 2010 23% were older than 65.

In sum, the electorate was not whiter nor older in 2010 than it was in 2006.

Is it too much to have writers here actually look at data before they talk about something?

Ironically enough, liberals showed up at the same rate they have in 2006 and 2008. And they voted MORE Democratic. In fact, liberals voted for Democrats at their highest percentage since at least 1998.

The problem in 2010 wasn't the base, it was with independents who shifted from a 20% advantage in '08 to a 20 deficit in 2010.



To: koan who wrote (85041)11/7/2010 4:30:19 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
The Do-Lots Congress

Guess what—it accomplished big things.

by Ezra Klein

The votes are (mostly) counted. The Republicans have clearly and decisively won. But did the Democrats actually lose?

They lost the election, certainly. And many of them lost their jobs. But the point of legislating isn’t job security. It’s legislation. And on that count the members of the 111th Congress succeeded wildly, even historically.

There was health-care reform, of course. The bill is projected to cover 32 million Americans while cutting the deficit by about $140 billion in the first 10 years—and by hundreds of billions more after that. It creates competitive insurance markets in every state and makes it illegal for insurers to turn you away or jack up your premiums because you have a preexisting condition. It empowers an independent commission to cut Medicare’s costs and ratchets back the tax break for employer-sponsored health-care insurance that’s been at the root of many of our system’s dysfunctions. It begins paying doctors for quality rather than volume. Even Mark McClellan, who directed the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services under George W. Bush, says the bill is “an important step.”

Oh, and next year, chain restaurants will be posting calorie and nutritional information on their menus and drive-through windows. That was the health-care bill, too.

Then there was financial regulation. If you were looking for a bill that reformed the financial-services sector, as I was, Dodd-Frank probably didn’t go as far as you hoped. But it created a system that now includes a regulator for the consumer-financial products that inflated the bubble, a systemic-risk regulator able to watch the institutions that turned the bubble into a crisis, and new powers that can be used to take down the firms that pose a threat to the system without resorting to bailouts. And there were even some industry reforms that people like me wanted, notably the effort to make the derivatives market transparent.

We can’t forget the stimulus, of course. Too small? Absolutely. Were there votes to make it much bigger? Probably not. And even putting aside the economic relief that the expansions of Medicaid, COBRA, food stamps, tax cuts, and unemployment benefits gave to hundreds of millions of Americans, or the millions of jobs the Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation created or saved, there were the investments designed to pay dividends down the road. We’ve begun more than 75,000 infrastructure projects, kicked off the digitization of our medical records, made massive investments in renewable energy, started the Race to the Top program (which even conservatives agree is changing the education system), sent billions to the National Institutes of Health to fund groundbreaking research, and much more.

And those are just the big bills. The 111th Congress also passed Ted Kennedy’s national-service legislation, expanded the Children’s Health Insurance Program to cover 4 million more kids, imposed new regulations on tobacco, and sent President Obama the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. It brought 2 million acres of wilderness into federal protection and expanded veterans’ benefits, particularly for female veterans.

That isn’t to say this Congress or these bills were perfect. Much of the legislation lost popularity as the economy deteriorated, and some pieces, like health-care reform, weren’t popular when they passed. The bills themselves suffer from the shortcomings and crass political dealmaking endemic to everything Washington does. There are plenty of priorities, ranging from more stimulus to energy legislation, that didn’t make it through Congress. And reasonable people disagree on whether these bills were worth doing in the first place. It’s entirely possible to believe the 111th Congress did a lot and that most of it was bad.

We’ll continue to have those arguments. What’s been uncommon about the past two years is that the Democrats in Congress managed to do more than argue: they legislated. They took the agenda they’d run on and made much of it law. This was no do-nothing Congress. This Congress did lots.

Polls have found that the public doesn’t realize how extraordinary this was. Most voters—and that holds for Democrats, too—don’t think the 111th got more accomplished than most Congresses. But they’re wrong. The 111th came to Washington promising to get things done on behalf of the American people. More than any other Congress in decades, it did.

read more......

newsweek.com



To: koan who wrote (85041)11/7/2010 8:27:13 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum

Posted on November 3, 2010

*NOTE: PLEASE RE-READ THE TITLE OF THIS ESSAY BEFORE GOING FURTHER. NOTICE, IT IS AIMED AT THE WHITE RIGHT. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE. ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS ESSAY IS “ANTI-WHITE PEOPLE,” AS OPPOSED TO THAT SEGMENT OF THE WHITE COMMUNITY THAT IS RIGHT WING, CANNOT READ PLAIN ENGLISH. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.*
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For all y’all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy ass Scotch you drink.

And for y’all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever shitty ass beer you favor.

Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this…

You need to drink up.

And quickly.

And heavily.

Because your time is limited.

Real damned limited.

So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.

The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.

Not much more now.

Tick, tock.

Tick, tock.

Tick.

Tock.

I know, you think you’ve taken “your country back” with this election — and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that’s what we white folks are bred to believe, that it’s ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise — but you are wrong.

You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand.

‘Cuz there is nothing even slightly original about you.

There have always been those who wanted to take the country back.

There were those who, in past years, wanted to take the country back to a time of enslavement and indentured servitude.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when children could be made to work in mines and factories, when workers had no legal rights to speak of, when the skies in every major city were heavy with industrial soot that would gather on sidewalks and windowsills like volcanic ash.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when women could not vote, or attend any but a few colleges, or get loans in their own names, or start their own businesses.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when blacks “had no rights that the white man was bound to respect,” – this being the official opinion of the Supreme Court before those awful days of judicial activism, now decried by the likes of you – and when people of color could legally be kept from voting solely because of race, or holding certain jobs, or living in certain neighborhoods, or run out of other towns altogether when the sun would go down, or be strung up from trees.

But they lost.

And you will lose.

So make a note of it.

Tweet it to yourself.

Put it on your Facebook wall and leave it there so you’ll remember that I told you so.

It is coming, and soon.

This isn’t hubris. It isn’t ideology. It is not wishful thinking.

It is math.

Not even advanced math. Just simple, basic, like 3rd grade math.

The kind of math that proves how your kind — mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like — are dying.

You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass — even if it takes four sequels to make it happen — but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.

Fair enough, and have at it. But remember how this movie ends.

Our ankles survive.

You do not.

Michael Meyers, Freddie Kreuger, Jason, and that asshole husband in that movie with Julia Roberts who tracks her down after she runs away and changes her identity–they are all done. Even that crazy fucker in Saw is about to be finished off for good. Granted, he’s gonna be popping out in 3-D to scare the kiddies, so he isn’t going quietly. But he’s going, as all bad guys eventually do.

And in the pantheon of American history, conservative old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.

Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.

Because you’re on the endangered list.

And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.

In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.

There won’t be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won’t be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we’ll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called “greatest generation” — a bunch whose white contingent was top-heavy with ethical miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.

It’s OK. Because in about forty years, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.

Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.

Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta.

And by then you will have gone all in as a white nationalist movement — hell you’ve all but done that now — thus guaranteeing that the folks of color, and even a decent size minority of us white folks will be able to crush you, election after election, from the Presidency on down to the 8th grade student council.

Like I said, this is math. And numbers don’t lie.

Bottom line, this too shall pass.

So enjoy your tax cuts a while longer.

Go buy whatever you people buy when your taxes get cut: a new car or two, a bigger house, an island. Whatever.

Go back to trading your derivatives, engaging in rampant financial speculation that produces nothing of value, that turns the whole world into your personal casino. Whatever.

Play your hand, and for the love of God play it big. Real big. As in, shoot for the moon big. As in, try to privatize Social Security, and health care, and everything else. Whatever.

At least that way everyone will be able to see what you’re really about.

We’ve been trying to tell them, but nothing beats seeing it with your own eyes, so “Go big or go home,” Bubba.

“Git ‘er Done.”

“Cowboy up,” or whatever other stupid catch phrase strikes your fancy.

Just promise you’ll do more than talk this time.

Please, or as one of your celluloid heroes might put it, “make my day.”

Do whatever you gotta do, but remember that those who are the victims of your greed and indifference take the long view.

They know, but you do not, that justice is not for the sprinters, but rather for the long distance runners who will be hitting their second wind, right about the time that you collapse from exhaustion.

They are like the tortoise to your hare.

They are like the San Francisco Giants, to your New York Yankees: a bunch that loses year after year after year, until they finally win.

You have had this confidence before, remember?

You thought you had secured your position permanently after the overthrow of reconstruction in the wake of the civil war, after the elimination of the New Deal, after the Reagan revolution, after the Republican electoral victory of 1994. And yet, those you thought you had cowed and defeated are still here.

Because those who have lived on the margins, who have been abused, maligned, targeted by austerity measures and budget cuts, subjected to racism, classism, sexism, straight supremacy and every other form of oppression always know more about their abusers than the abusers know about their victims.

They have to study you, to pay careful attention, to adjust their body armor accordingly, and to memorize your sleep patterns.

You, on the other hand, need know nothing whatsoever about them. And this, will surely prove politically fatal to you in the end. For it means you will not know their resolve. Will not fear it, as you should.

It means you will take their greatest strength — perseverance — and make of it a weakness, called losing.

But what you forget, or more to the point never knew, is that those who lose know how to lose, which is to say they know how to lose with dignity.

And those who suffer know how to suffer, which is to say they know how to survive: a skill that is in short supply amid the likes of you.

You, who could not survive the thought of minimal health care reform, or financial regulation, or a marginal tax rate equal to that which you paid just 10 years earlier, perhaps are under the illusion that everyone is as weak as you, as soft as you, as akin to petulant children as you are, as unable to cope with the smallest setback, the slightest challenge to the way you think your country should look and feel, and operate.

But they are not.

And they know how to regroup, and plot, and plan, and they are planning even now — we are — your destruction.

And I do not mean by that your physical destruction. We don’t play those games. We’re not into the whole “Second Amendment remedies, militia, armed resistance” bullshit that your side fetishizes, cuz, see, we don’t have to be. We don’t need guns.

We just have to be patient.

And wait for you to pass into that good night, first politically, and then, well…

Do you hear it?

The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?

Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.

So know this.

If you thought this election was payback for 2008, remember…

Payback, thy name is…

Temporary.

timwise.org



To: koan who wrote (85041)11/8/2010 1:29:37 AM
From: Neil H  Respond to of 149317
 
million watched MSNBC and 7 million FOX. that tells us that people are not serious thinkers and god knows we need some serious thinking right now.

Of all the western nations we are right on the bottom regarding cultural sophistication.


So - what I read from your post is if a person is not a die hard liberal in their beliefs - it is obviously because of a lack of intellect or sophistication.

It surely couldn't be your policies so it must be the other guys lack of intellect. And you wonder why there is such a minority that believes the way you do?

This argument will surely bring all of us dummies to your way of thinking.

Neil

(Hoping I can be as smart as you some day )