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To: scion who wrote (2879)	11/7/2010 2:53:05 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 53574

Yes, John told me that directly. I already posted this from an email John sent me on 9/27: Quote: I suggest shareholders contact the EPA to get straight answers to refute any misinformation campaign. The environmental agencies have been very supportive of our technology. They allowed us to build our proprietary process (large scale) with the existing air permits and stack at the factory. They further allowed us to run to test, run steady state, test, and rerun to iron out any bugs (with a temporary permit issued in hours). Further, the environmental agencies have reviewed the technology and allowed it to run through a stack test to gather data for a commercial permit. The stack test results proved the machine does not pollute. It's 100% stupidity that the EPA would hold up fuel sales and exports knowing that our fuel has less sulphur in it than fuel at the pump, that they have been very flexible with us to prove our technology is clean and works. I do not need EPA registration to sell fuel. I do not understand the emphasis to sell fuel for cars in the US. Like everything else, due to our clean fuel and size of our company, it would not be a problem but why spend any time on that now when there is plenty of low hanging fruit ( ie: factories, rail, ships, thousands of farms all of whom consume vast amounts of diesel and other fuels), all of Canada, and any ship that sails by in the Great Lakes. Then, consider international ships, generators, and thousands of factories. I suspect that if EPA registration of our fuel is critical to some people then maybe they somehow believe we will saturate the world market with diesel so much so that we would have nowhere left to sell it but to vehicles operated exclusively in the United States. siliconinvestor.com

To: scion who wrote (2879)	11/8/2010 11:55:56 AM
From: scion	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53574

Other government offices may not be aware of what our factory is or how it operates. Those offices are not related to our Simple Air Permit have enquired in the past about what our process is and how it works. John Bordynuik My visit to the P2O factory today... techisbest on Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:42 pm Here's the post I left for John on FB... Thanks for another tour of the P2O factory today! It was great to see you and talk with you again. I have posted pictures on FB here: Click to go to Facebook pictures facebook.com It was also good to be able to speak with Jacob Smith (COO), Bob Molodynia (VP, Business Development), Alan Barnett (Chief R&D Chemist), Scott (P2O Installation) and Jerry (P2O controls). It was gracious of Dr. Smith to take our pictures. It was clear that nobody wants to get that DEC permit as quickly as possible more than all of you. Hopefully with the elections over things in the government can start moving again. The new configuration for the P2O processor looked great. It was nice to see that second feeder gone and the process drum insulated on the outside to retain heat. It was amusing to hear how you were trying everything possible to lose heat before the off-gas compression system was installed. Those two new processor drums outside are pretty. It will be great to see the new, bigger processors up and running as soon as possible. It will also be nice to have them handling more plastic at one time. The new feeder being developed sounds like a great innovation. It is too bad that JBII has to be bothered with lawsuits by various entities wanting a piece of JBII. It sounds like Mr. Kaplanis definitely went outside his employment contract. Hopefully any lawsuits can be dispatched without much cost (time and money) to the company. I was happy to hear that a lot of your time is currently being spent closing deals for sources of plastic. And it was good to verify that a part of the business plan is to sell fuel back to the companies supplying the plastic. It is a win-win solution. JBII gets a free source of plastic and the company supplying the plastic gets discounted fuel with out the sulphur allowing their emissions to be greener. I like your plan to have a waste recycling center as part of your local operations. That could be a good model for any JV's that are started. I got a close up look of the shredded plastic being fed into the processor. It was certainly not uniform. I saw gooey plastic of all colors shredded together into a single bin. Some of it was black. But what I saw coming out of the processor, from both the diesel condenser and the gas condenser, was clean, amber fuel. It was interesting to note how cool the jar of gasoline was coming right out of the condenser while the jar of diesel was only warm to the touch. Thank you for the signed jar of P2O gasoline. I could try to use it in my lawnmower (snowblower?), but I think it is worth more to me as a keepsake. I was very happy to hear that the processor had been running uninterrupted for five days. And that fuel is already being transported to the blending facility for storage. Re: My visit to the P2O factory today... techisbest Yesterday at 8:58 am I don't feel like wasting my second post of the day on iHub for this. siliconinvestor.com stocker11 Share Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:58:39 PM Re: mikeo56 post# 75462 Post # of 75590 Actually I believe they the fuel is being stored at the processing plant unless Tech was told something different than me. I was told something different. I wonder where stocker11 thinks it is being stored at the processing plant? They had a tanker that was almost full that was ready to be emptied. I asked if the oil was being stored at the blending facility and was told that it was. Re: My visit to the P2O factory today... techisbest Yesterday at 9:20 am Waikikian wrote: You must have gotten some feel for timeline after being there and talking to John. The feeling I got was one of frustration waiting for the DEC. One story John told was of the DEC calling and asking about them burning plastic. He kept telling them that the process does not burn plastic, but because they have never seen the process they kept asking. And they said they didn't have the budget to actually make a house call to check it out. I guess that it was Conestoga-Rovers & Associates (“CRA”) that did the stack test and the results were passed along to the DEC via the application. So I guess the DEC has never seen the facility themselves. Sorry, no bleachers. Everybody is hoping that the DEC is able to move forward faster now that the elections are not getting in the way. If you're frustrated, join the club. Re: My visit to the P2O factory today... techisbest Yesterday at 9:40 pm I emailed John about this story. The Air Permit Department of the DEC have visited the p2o factory many times and we have worked closely with them. They HAD to be present during the stack test and had to approve the stack test protocol. Other government offices may not be aware of what our factory is or how it operates. Those offices are not related to our Simple Air Permit have enquired in the past about what our process is and how it works. Pretty much agrees with what Rawnoc said. A case of one hand at the DEC not knowing what the other hand was doing. Why did this other department care? People calling the DEC and asking questions. This has wasted a lot of time for JBII. This was probably a case of somebody asking the DEC if they were aware of JBII's plastic burning process. This was straightened out by referring the uninformed department to the Air Permit Department. Re: My visit to the P2O factory today... lovethatgreen1 Today at 9:35 am techisbest wrote: I emailed John about this story. The Air Permit Department of the DEC have visited the p2o factory many times and we have worked closely with them. They HAD to be present during the stack test and had to approve the stack test protocol. Other government offices may not be aware of what our factory is or how it operates. Those offices are not related to our Simple Air Permit have enquired in the past about what our process is and how it works. Pretty much agrees with what Rawnoc said. A case of one hand at the DEC not knowing what the other hand was doing. Why did this other department care? People calling the DEC and asking questions. This has wasted a lot of time for JBII. This was probably a case of somebody asking the DEC if they were aware of JBII's plastic burning process. This was straightened out by referring the uninformed department to the Air Permit Department. so management is blaming the shareholders calling the DEC fro this new snag in the permitting process>>>>well, just hang on just a dang minute here Willis. First it is my understanding that folks that Qd management several months ago like 7 or so, about JBs certainty that the permit process would be a speedy one, were replied back to with some fairly strong attitude more or less implying that asking that question was more or less stupid...Now its Nov so it appears the Q wasnt so stupid after all. THere is still no air permit .Folks are buried with this and only ones with a minimum of neural matter could wonder why one would phone the DEC trying to get some answers. Holy crap that takes the cake for non accountability. Management should have employed someone that could have advised them as to all the possibilities that could come within the DEC ahead of time and nipped this in the BUD no pun intended, ahead of time. Im sick of arrogant CEOs Re: My visit to the P2O factory today... techisbest Today at 9:52 am lovethatgreen1 wrote: so management is blaming the shareholders calling the DEC fro this new snag in the permitting process>>>>well, just hang on just a dang minute here Willis. First it is my understanding that folks that Qd management several months ago like 7 or so, about JBs certainty that the permit process would be a speedy one, were replied back to with some fairly strong attitude more or less implying that asking that question was more or less stupid...Now its Nov so it appears the Q wasnt so stupid after all. THere is still no air permit .Folks are buried with this and only ones with a minimum of neural matter could wonder why one would phone the DEC trying to get some answers. Holy crap that takes the cake for non accountability. Management should have employed someone that could have advised them as to all the possibilities that could come within the DEC ahead of time and nipped this in the BUD no pun intended, ahead of time. Im sick of arrogant CEOs No. Management is not blaming shareholders. There are a lot of inappropriate calls being made to the DEC suggesting things that are not true. Like burning plastic in the processor. These calls are not being made by shareholders. jbii.user-board.net