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To: stock leader who wrote (47076)	11/13/2010 12:08:41 AM
From: Peter Dierks	2 Recommendations Respond to of 71588

The bailout of GM unions is a criminal event. GM simply should have gone bankrupt. MOST elected officials are simply union puppets. Time for a taxpayer strike. Refuse to pay all kind of tax---sales tax, income tax, road tax, real estate tax, excise tax, toilet tax, etc... strike on those b-stards as they strike on you. GM should have been allowed to go through bankruptcy. The $50B tax break was required to claim they repaid the debt. The beneficiary was the Auto Union (UAW). The cost was born by taxpayers while stockholders and bondholders were robbed to give money to the union. Since it was done by passing a law it may not be criminal, just unethical. Stopping paying taxes is easier said than done. Government has granted themselves the right to be paid even before you and I are paid. Sales tax is collected at the point of sale. Income tax is withheld before paychecks are cut. The most effective tool to defund the Treasury would be to organize a mass protest of filling out W-2's claiming 15 dependents. They can simply print money. It requires a periodic increase in the debt ceiling, but that is relatively easy to get a vote on.

To: stock leader who wrote (47076)	11/13/2010 12:45:01 AM
From: Peter Dierks	1 Recommendation Respond to of 71588

The Rollback Begins Posted 11/10/2010 06:54 PM ET Public Pay And Pensions: Voters across the nation — California included — are signaling an end to the government workers' gravy train. Even the unions may be starting to get the message. Last week's elections didn't just upend the Democrat Party in Congress. They also delivered a warning to the public-sector unions that form the core of the party's support. In nearly all elections where public pay and benefits were an issue, the voters ruled that the era of ever-richer rewards for government was over: Say goodbye to fat pensions at 55. Get used to living like the rest of us. We can count one contest in which the unions beat back an attempt to trim public workers' benefits. This was in San Francisco, where voters defeated a measure that would have required city workers to pay more for health care and retirement. But even in that union-friendly town, the unions didn't win them all. Another proposition, to end automatic pay increases as part of reforming the city's transit system, won handily. Elsewhere in California, voters in eight cities and counties approved measures to cut public pension benefits. In Illinois, dozens of suburban communities voted for a resolution urging the legislature to lower benefits for new state workers. Six new governors won on platforms that endorsed the idea of moving toward 401(k)-style plans, in which public workers would contribute to their own retirement and are not guaranteed a pension income. Republicans Brian Sandoval of Nevada, Robert Bentley of Alabama, Bill Haslam of Tennessee and Scott Walker of Wisconsin all supported these "defined contribution" plans, which are the norm in most of the private sector. Republican Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania and independent Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island have endorsed hybrid plans combining defined-contribution elements with those of traditional defined-benefit pensions, which guarantee retirement income. The Pew Center on the States, at its Stateline Web site, summed up last week's voting as "in some ways the first national referendum on the future of public pensions." It was also a referendum on priorities, with the public choosing to put public services before the self-interest of public workers. Back when the economy was humming and pensions thought they could get 8% annual returns in the stock market forever, unions seemed to have it both ways. They could make their members richer (especially on the retirement end) without the public feeling any pain. But people now see how untenable this sweet deal was — and how it endangers the very services that the public workers are paid to deliver. The revenue hits taken by states and localities in the Great Recession have forced the issue by requiring real trade-offs: Either cut pay and pensions or have fewer teachers, police and firefighters. Then there's the Bell effect. Earlier this year, struggling taxpayers learned just how well some public-sector employees were doing. The revelation of outrageous salaries in the California city of Bell was a catalyst for scrutiny of public pay in general. All kinds of data have surfaced since then about six-figure salaries and lavish overtime in places large and small. It's clear that the governing class has not been shouldering its share of sacrifice in these tough times. Even unions may be starting to get the message. California's largest state employees local, representing 95,000 workers, has just ratified a new contract that rolls back pension benefits for new workers to pre-1999 levels and saves the state just under $400 million annually in labor costs. The future is clouded in California because voters there have just chosen a union ally, Jerry Brown, as their next governor. But as Brown and the unions well know, these voters are also used to taking matters into their own hands through the initiative process. If their actions last week at the local level are any indication, they're tired of writing so many blank checks. investors.com

To: stock leader who wrote (47076)	11/21/2010 11:54:47 AM
From: stock leader	1 Recommendation Respond to of 71588

teachers run amuck... time for a tax boycott or state civil wars... grab your guns! you CANNOT ask regular taxpayers to pay into a ponzi scheme! "All changes will only affect new hires into the system beginning in July of 2011, because of a provision in the state constitution that does not allow the legislature to impact the pensions of current employees" I guess rape and pillage of ordinary citizens is also written into the state constitution... boycott it, grab your guns and get ready for WAR!