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To: Cogito who wrote (150117)11/14/2010 12:47:39 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541944
 
I think it only talks about male homosexuality. I guess lesbians are kosher.



To: Cogito who wrote (150117)11/14/2010 3:41:31 PM
From: Katelew  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541944
 
I don't buy it, but I'm not willing to get into an argument about it.

There's no argument. It's simply a fact. Do you have any life experiences to the contrary, i.e. people you knew who were active in a church but also raping and pillaging on the side, lol?

It's also a fact that religious organizations through their members do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to charity work. Both in money and time donated.

It's also a fact that religious people as a group don't hate and fear homosexuals. Those are not the emotions they feel. Out of all the school bullying that takes place against homosexuals, I'm willing to bet that not one bully in fifty is a kid who has an active, serious church life. Bullies are weak, predatory people who get some kind of sick enjoyment causing pain to others. That's just not the way most religious kids are wired.



To: Cogito who wrote (150117)11/14/2010 4:55:17 PM
From: Suma  Respond to of 541944
 
Leviticus is not the only chapter of the Bible that people pick and choose.. There are as many different interpretations as are nationalities and religions..



To: Cogito who wrote (150117)11/14/2010 9:54:34 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 541944
 
"I'm sidestepping the whole argument about whether "destructive behaviors" come primarily from secular people. I don't buy it, but I'm not willing to get into an argument about it."

Wise
There's absolutely no proof for destructive behaviors coming from secular folks. Even though there is some very interesting data on the (high) morality (and non-criminality) of atheists and agnostics, I think that could be selection bias, as atheists and agnostics tend to be more educated, and education reduces one's risk of destructive behaviors- like crime.

bard.edu

"Nearly one and a half million individuals are housed in adult correctional facilities in the
United States. The United States Department of Justice reports that "the typical offender is
undereducated, unemployed and living in poverty before incarceration."1
Inside our prisons, 19% percent of adult inmates are illiterate, and up to 60% are
functionally illiterate. In contrast to this, our national adult illiteracy rate stands at 4%, with up
to 23% functionally illiterate.2"

scribd.com

:-)

I am an agnostic. I am enjoying the fact we have the highest educational attainment. This is, of course, for wingnuts proof of agnostics being co-opted by the conspiratorial left wing American educational system- to which I saw RIGHT ON. Since education gets you more money, a better chance of being happy, and a greatly reduced chance of ending up in prison, I'd say we should all pray the great conspiracy marches on.

Crime and "destructive behavior" are most often the children of ignorance and despair- and those two young terrorists are driven by socioeconomic forces. It's sad when people want to blame them on the lack of religion, but such insecurity is to be expected from people with invisible friends. How terrifying it must be to believe in something so speculative and intangible. I can't imagine living with a burden like that.