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To: C.K. Houston who wrote (105)	11/11/1997 3:31:00 PM
From: C.K. Houston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 411

DISCUSSION GROUPS: EMBEDDED SYSTEMS (Revised 11/11/97) ============================================================= Society for Information Management Year 2000 Working Group year2000.unt.edu Free, immediate registration If you're already registered, direct access to "embedded systems": year2000.unt.edu This topic list is to discuss potential and already known infrastructure-related Y2K Problems. The definintion we are using for "infrastructure" is any system that contains a microprocessor, particularly embedded-chip applications and "firmware". All microprocessors must be checked to see if they use a date function or are controlled by some system that uses and transmits a date function. This definition includes, as examples, PCs, elevators, automated manufacturing systems, building energy management systems, traffic light control systems, televisions, VCRs, microwaves, bar code readers, credit card point of sale systems, ATM machines, etc. This dicussion topic should center around any specific microprocessor-based system you have found to have problems, or one where you suspect there are problems. Awareness for this Year 2000 Problem area is going to be harder to achieve than awareness for mainframe problems. Also the resources and time necessary to inventory, evaluate, convert, test, and implement fixes for the cloud of microprocessors your company, city, county, state, or home has may be considerably more than that already forecast for mainframe problems. Not because of any technical aspect, just because of the total number of microprocessors out there that need to be checked, changed/fixed, and tested. And because we IS professionals have not historically concerned ourselves with may of these applications Electronic mailing list for updated reports on Y2K & factory floor compliance arcweb.com

To: C.K. Houston who wrote (105)	11/11/1997 3:50:00 PM
From: C.K. Houston	Respond to of 411

EMBEDDED SYSTEMS & Y2K (Links follow intro) Revised 11/11/97 ================================================================ *This is what will bring our country to it's knees.* If a chip has its program embedded into it, the program cannot be revised by software. It has to be replaced by a chip that is 2000 compliant. No one knows how many non-compliant chips there are. Nobody knows which 5% to 10% is non-compliant. All chips must be tested, one by one, system by system. Assume that testing identifies bad chips. They must be replaced, (assuming that compliant chips for each application have come onto the market). *One by one, bad chips must be carefully removed and replaced.* The real problem with embedded systems is just that - they're embedded ... burned into the chip's ROM memory, so it cannot be altered. It will require somebody with expertise in the product (the vendor or manufacturer) to get at the system to test for and fix Year 2000 problems. Each embedded system must be treated as if it were a different programming language, which only a few people know. state.id.us *WORSE ... Electrical engineers & experienced, trained plant personnel are required for this fix ... we do NOT have enough skilled people here or abroad.* ================================================================= Use [BACK] arrow at top of screen to navigate PROBLEMS & FAILURES: exchange2000.com exchange2000.com (Partial Listing) There's a LOT more than what's being made public, but in US, everyone's afraid of litigation and/or negative impact on stock prices WHERE ARE EMBEDDED SYSTEMS? - Why should I care? compinfo.co.uk *WHAT ARE EMBEDDED SYSTEMS? (...More)* exchange2000.com CEO'S, CFO'S, BUSINESS OWNERS SHOULD READ THIS: exchange2000.com JOINT POSITIONING STATEMENT: 10 National User Groups (inc New York) exchange2000.com Check out their extensive list of links after positioning statement. GOVERNMENT Read House Testimony on Embedded Systems!!!!!!!!! exchange2000.com MANUFACTURING & INDUSTRIAL PROCESSING: exchange2000.com UTILITIES & POWER PLANTS: exchange2000.com BANKING: exchange2000.com MEDICAL: www4.techstocks.com MODERATED DISCUSSION GROUPS (EMBEDDED SYSTEMS): techstocks.com TECHNICAL INFORMATION FOR ENGINEERS exchange2000.com LIGHT READING That 'Year 2000' Bug May Hit Appliances, Cars exchange2000.com Aug 19 '97 *Stunned, larger, uglier, unexpected, more costly:* exchange2000.com