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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (68268)	11/16/2010 9:34:43 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218265

hong kong is good place people are coming to hong kong with their money we have open arm policy anyone with the dough can set themselves up here with 30 days

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (68268)	11/17/2010 10:03:37 AM
From: Maurice Winn	3 Recommendations Respond to of 218265

As you wrote, VOLUNTARILY. <freedom of the individual should be of secondary importance to the good of the group. you will learn that truth the hard way. > That's the crux. Literally, la croix. Nailed to it. Nailed to it by "the good of the group" as defined by those who were in power, in charge of and self-defining "the good of the group", which invariably seems to be defined as, sooner or later, the salubrious happiness, profit and power of the alpha male who has contrived to get the toughest gang to maintain their properties which invariably include the chattelized serfs of the state. So glibly TJ tossed out that slogan as though it's a logical given, as though millennia of carnage, greed and misery have not been engendered by that exact ideology. From each according to their ability, to us according to my greeds. The Atavistic Aztecs wish to rewind the clock to the glorious days of stable power with the rulers at the top enjoying the perks of power, "for the collective good of course". TJ's "lonely path the right one" is ignored in the headlong rush to construct the collective. Being part of The Collective is of great benefit, a lot of fun and joyful too. I experience it daily. But The Collective in which I spend considerable time, zenbu.net.nz and zenbu.co.nz is a freely interacting voluntary association of creativity and purposeful teleological progress to a greater collective for mutual peace, light, harmony, happiness, health, prosperity, longevity, fun and love. When I wandered the streets of Beijing not many years ago, looking for the love and the lonely path, it was a desert. Yet lurking even beneath the taciturn visage of the regimented guards was a knowing glint in the eye and smile on the lips - of some of them. Yearning to breathe free. Nowhere does such freedom exist. TJ is right - voting with wallet and feet is the answer. But Tradable Citizenship is available nowhere, though Hong Kong has created somewhat of a solution. Perhaps TJ should read Atlas Shrugged. The End of History is not yet. Democracy can vote for slavery and did. My experiences of mob rule are bad, be they democratic, or through TJ's process of power. The Collective is an analogue of The Mind, nothing less than the creation of consciousness on a grander scale than within an individual, yet being expressed by the individuals. I'm backing my Zenbu Collective to beat TJ's Collective any day of the week, with both hands tied behind our backs. Democracy and The Collective is a paradoxical process, made up of good and evil with the Gandhi idea that the line between good and evil runs right through the middle of each individual's mind. American and Kiwi politicians are forced to adopt the approach "Hey, I'm just folks, a Good Bloke, a Sensible Sheila, come on, vote for me and you and I will get this place on the straight and narrow. I'll take the money away from them and give it to us". China's power brokers adopt a different demeanour, with a similar outcome. Mqurice