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To: Greg or e who wrote (10219)11/27/2010 1:14:06 PM
From: Solon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 69300
 
Dear Heavenly Father and Holiest of Gods. My name is EEEEk and I love you so much. I want you to kill Solon as many times as you can and then torture him forever and ever. Please, dear Yabwee--PLEASE!

You know that all my fiends live in my head, oh Yabwee…and you are here with me now as I think about how clever I have been in doing your work for you. I will give you an example and you will love me, I’m sure because I want to go to Heaven and go for walks with Jesus to pick apples and look at the deer and maybe go on a red sled down the hill. (It is ok if you don’t have that color, Yabwee, I will still be happy and I ain’t complainin, none). Anyway, you want to know how I honored your name, so I will do just that.

I hate Solon, so anyway I have this boyfriend on SI (I know that is ok with you nowadays, right, Yabwee?!) I know your wonderful young son had boyfriends like the young naked man in the Gospel of Mark that the Fathers redacted.

“Was it not you who dried up Yam, who made the depths of Yam a crosswalk for all the redeemed? Shouting to Zion, oh Yahwee!!”

Anyway, Solon thinks his morality is better than mine because he had great (according to him) teachers such as Emerson, Socrates, Ingersoll, Siddartha, and dummies like that. He thinks you should have killed Adam and Eve as soon as they became as evil as all Hell let loose rather than waiting until you could drown everything in the Holy Water so you could put your beautiful rainbow in the sky that weren’t there before. But that is Solon for you. He even breaks the tenth commandment and boils baby goats in milk when he gets hungry. So if you don’t torture him forever, there would be no point in torturing anybody would there my Heavenly and Beautiful father?

So my boyfriend says to Solon: “Hey, Solon, so I guess your name is Solon not because Solon was considered one of the 7 wise men and the father of democracy and human freedom but because you are a pederast like the Greeks, eh Solon. So, Solon says to him: No. But I have no objection to that what the Greeks considered their sexual mores. They considered same sex love as moral and a discretionary choice. It is history and I’ve no objection to how they lived. But today it is a perversion and is illegal (as is all sexual activity before a certain age, depending on country and culture.”) Then Solon says he supports the Canadian Human Rights Act which permits all legal and voluntary sexual activity between competent persons. Now this is why you will love me so much, Father Yabwee! My boyfriend and I were very clever! Immediately we both started making posts saying that Solon ENDORSED, ADVOCATED, SUPPORTED, ENCOURAGED (and words like that) PEDERASTY!! I found those words and others like them in the online dictionary! Solon calls what I’m doing LIBEL…as if his moral relativism could override your Holy word, Dear Jesus! The ends justifies the means and what I do, I do in your wondrous and Holy and WONDERFUL name! Praise you, Jesus! I just love you SO MUCH! I want to walk all over Heaven with you--just the two of us when you have some time and I want to explore every niche of that place and see what colors you chosed for your wall hangings and look at your coin collection and everything else also.

I am so very clever, dear God! Solon has contempt for me because he thinks I am superstitious, immoral, and retarded. And he truly believes I am psychotic because he thinks I act without any conscience. What he don't know is that I have a conscience but if I am fighting for your son, Jesus (who you sacrificed just like the old days with goats) then anything goes. Solon thinks there should be rules and morals. He just doesn't understand religion. That is why I want you to bring him back to life after he dies (the sooner the better, YabWee) and then burn him over and over an over and don’t ever stop. Please hurt him even worse than that, dear God because he doesn’t like me and remember when you went to the Inn to kill Moses because of the foreskin thing? Well, why don’t you check on Solon about that, too???

Solon thinks your wonderful words in the bible, your perfect history of love and justice is just primitive tribal stories of genocidal wars and barbaric behavior including human sacrifice, slavery, rapes and brutality. Please kill him, Yabwee. I hate him so much!

"I am that I am, Yah, The Lord of Host’s, Amen, Selah." I read this in the Babylonian Talmud, Yah. And I read about the antelope the size of Mount Tabor who cast a dung ball so huge that it clogged up the river Jordan. So you see. Yah, that I keep informed about your Holy word and never quit studying!

So that is about all for now, Yah! I am very clever. I am doing my part to prepare Solon for your beautiful hot coals. I don’t consider what I am doing to be lying or libeling or threatening or defaming. I am just doing your Holy work and that means anything goes if the end is justified! Oh, I forget to tell you. After my boyfriend and I (or me) made 72 posts (I counted them for you Yabwee!) saying that Solon supported Pederasty and therefore must be one himself as well as a murderer and stuff like that!--Solon gets mad and tells my boyfriend, “I have no objection to YOUR pederasty, either…(just like he had no objection to the Greeks) (Clever Solon, eh Yab! But I got him good!) Then I said: Oh so you ENDORSE preying on young boys and rape and murder, eh Solon. So you are a real freak, eh Solon! Yep, Yab, I am your best servant. I don’t want to be burned. I take Solon's posts and I cut quotes out of them and then I find other quotes that I cut out and I put them together and I try to make it look like it is him stalking me!! The other day I hinted that there was news of a shadowy figure in a trench coat who tried to rob a church and I slyly says to Solon. By any chance do YOU own a trench coat? But I leave that part out when I go quoting stuff! I am careful to make it look like I'm not a psychotic and in truth I am no more psychotic than Isaiah or Ezekiel were. I am just your trusted servant and I love your son more than any other young men in the bible could ever have beloved him. And please don't let them bring Mark's verses back in the official gospels and please keep taking out the contradictions and stuff because you are so Perfect and all the crazy stuff in the bible was snucked in by atheists who believe in evolution. They think that old boners tell a story and they think YOUR beautiful stories are horrible. But that is atheists for you, Sweet Jesus of my Heart.

I will do ANYTHING to please you. If you want me too I will torture people for you like my heroes did through the centuries. I have promised Solon I would laugh at him when you led him, past me on the way to Hellfire. I showed him the Scripture and he just laughed at me like he always does as if I am some sort of freak. Well he won’t be laughing when you and I burn the bejesus out of him, will he Father! Please kill him soon before his big shot lawyers start making trouble for me. I am working so hard for you, Yah. Please speak to me and tell me what to do.

Amen Amen Amen.



To: Greg or e who wrote (10219)11/27/2010 2:45:10 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
How is little Eeeeek, today! :-) How is your LIARS FOR CHRIST, club?! :-)

"faith absolves the believer from any fidelity to objective truth."

You keep doing the Sweetheart Lord's work, little Liar Boy!! :-) Use all your "cleverness" and "skill"!! Make up for the "defects of your mind"!!

"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ...

For great is the value of deceit...""...In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ...
"

– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.

jesusneverexisted.com

‘There is nothing so easy as by sheer volubility to deceive a common crowd or an uneducated congregation.’

– St. Jerome (Epistle to Nepotian, Lii, 8.)

God's Truth – Lies

"Would the partisans of Christ have set out deliberately to lie? Were they such barefaced charlatans that they concocted falsehoods and deceits merely to advance themselves and their designs? By their own admission, YES they were. They may well have been believers, in that they held to a certain faith. On this was built the fanaticism either to die, or to kill others, for that faith. But faith absolves the believer from any fidelity to objective truth.

Religious fantasy advances in small steps by which those who already ‘see a higher truth’ help the less gifted to achieve that sublime state by using various devices. In Jewish tradition, one such a device was ‘midrash’, the teasing out of new, contemporary meanings from antique, sacred texts. By such means, the scribes could resolve a current issue by interpreting what the scripture had ‘really meant’ all along. Was that a lie?

False accreditation was another much used method, common practice during antiquity. Most of the texts in both the Hebrew bible and the New Testament were forged in the names of their authors to give them ‘authority.’ This merely helped others recognise 'the higher truths' presented to them. Who could argue with Solomon, say, or Apostles of the Lord?


A Labyrinth of Deceit

One of the most inveterate forms of imaginative creation was the invention of sayings and whole speeches which, just as fiction-writers do today, they put entire into the mouths of the personages of whom they were writing. Thus, in the Gospel of John, chapters 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 are almost one continuous verbatim monologue – all three thousand six hundred words of it! – supposedly uttered by the godman, a truly remarkable instance of total recall by the fabled octogenarian author!

The authors of Christianity were fond of allegory and parable. Few people have a head for pure theology. Popularising a convoluted point of theology for the unlearned by an illustrative story gets the point across. What perhaps is missed is that Christian theology is several levels deep: it uses fictional characters to tell fictional stories to make doctrinal points. Some dogmatists no doubt believed (still believe) that one day, long ago, a real whale swallowed a real Jonah. After all, Jesus supposedly said:

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." – Matthew 12.40.


The whole point of Jonah was not about God’s ability to conjure up man-swallowing fish; it was that Yahweh loves even the depraved folk of Nineveh (and their cattle). The sixth century scribe who wrote Jonah used the name of a prophet mentioned in 2 Kings to make a point about the worthiness of evangelising to the heathen. He has his reluctant hero sail from Joppa and encounter a storm. Cast overboard somewhere out at sea, the big fish is a literary device to get Jonah back to Joppa, from where, more enthusiastically, he can set out again for the big, bad city of Nineveh.

The theological point could be made simply – ‘our god loves all who repent, don’t be reluctant, go and tell it to the heathen’ – but would that entertain the crowd? Simple folk of course would start to take the entertaining story as a literal truth. Then, several generations later, when the story falls into the hands of the author of Matthew – who may well believe that the Jonah story is ‘true’ – he has his own fictional Christ figure quote Jonah to give authority to a different theological point: ‘death can be conquered.’


Deception

Thus by small steps a complex weave of fantasy is woven. As indeed the Church Fathers cheerfully admit:

"I will only mention the Apostle Paul. ... He, then, if anyone, ought to be calumniated; we should speak thus to him: ‘The proofs which you have used against the Jews and against other heretics bear a different meaning in their own contexts to that which they bear in your Epistles.

We see passages taken captive by your pen and pressed into service to win you a victory, which in volumes from which they are taken have no controversial bearing at all ... the line so often adopted by strong men in controversy – of justifying the means by the result."

– St. Jerome, Epistle to Pammachus (xlviii, 13; N&PNF. vi, 72-73)

Was Saint Paul an unabashed liar? From this verse in Romans it would appear so:

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded by my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also adjudged a sinner?" – St. Paul, Romans 3.7.

However in context Paul is actually censuring other Christians who say "Let us do evil, that good may come" (that is, from God's judgement). But like Paul we can "take the passage captive" to make a point.



Luminaries of Deception

Jerome is not alone in his candour. Bishop Eusebius, the official propagandist for Constantine, entitles the 32nd Chapter of his 12th Book of Evangelical Preparation:

"How it may be Lawful and Fitting to use Falsehood as a Medicine, and for the Benefit of those who Want to be Deceived."

Eusebius is notoriously the author of a great many falsehoods – but then he does warn us in his infamous history:

"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."

– Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.

Clement of Alexandria was one of the earliest of the Church Fathers to draw a distinction between "mere human truth" and the higher truth of faith:

"Not all true things are the truth, nor should that truth which merely seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith."

– Clement (quoted by M. Smith, Clement of Alexandria, p446)

John Chrysostom, 5th century theologian and erstwhile bishop of Constantinople, is another:

"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ...

For great is the value of deceit, provided it be not introduced with a mischievous intention. In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ...


And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."

– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.

'Golden Mouth' John is notable for his extensive commentaries on the Bible which emphasized a literal understanding of the stories; the style popular at Alexandria until then was to acknowledge an allegorical meaning of the text.

Thus eminent ‘believers’ added falsehood to the beliefs of later generations. ‘For the best of reasons’ they ‘clarified’ obscure points, conjured up characters to speak dialogue that could have been said, invented scenarios that could have happened, borrowed extensively from a wider culture. And this all before they became the custodians of power and had real reasons for lies, inventions and counterfeits. As we shall see, god’s immutable laws became as flexible as putty.

The 5th and 6th centuries was the 'golden age' of Christian forgery. In a moment of shocking candour, the Manichean bishop (and opponent of Augustine) Faustus said:

"Many things have been inserted by our ancestors in the speeches of our Lord which, though put forth under his name, agree not with his faith; especially since – as already it has been often proved – these things were written not by Christ, nor [by] his apostles, but a long while after their assumption, by I know not what sort of half Jews, not even agreeing with themselves, who made up their tale out of reports and opinions merely, and yet, fathering the whole upon the names of the apostles of the Lord or on those who were supposed to follow the apostles, they maliciously pretended that they had written their lies and conceits according to them."

In the ferocious battle for adherents, the propagandists sought to outdo each other at every turn. One example: by the fifth century, four very different endings existed to Mark's gospel. Codex Bobiensis ends Mark at verse 16:8, without any post-crucifixion appearances; it lacks both the 'short conclusion' (of Jesus sending followers to 'east and west') or the 'long conclusion' – the fabulous post-death apparitions, where Jesus promises his disciples that they will be immune to snake bites and poison.

Once the Church had grabbed mastery of much of Europe and the middle-east, its forgery engine went into overdrive.

'The Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony "relics" of its "Lord," "Apostles" and "Saints" … There were at least 26 'authentic' burial shrouds scattered throughout the abbeys of Europe, of which the Shroud of Turin is just one … At one point, a number of churches claimed the one foreskin of Jesus, and there were enough splinters of the "True Cross" that Calvin said the amount of wood would make "a full load for a good ship." '

– Acharya S, The Christ Conspiracy.



Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556), the tireless zealot for papal authority – he was the founder of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) – even wrote:

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

The Reformation may have swept away some abuses perpetrated by the priesthood but lying was not one of them. Martin Luther, in private correspondence, argued:

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."

– Martin Luther (Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. I.)



The Forgery Mill

Notable Christian forgeries include:

The Donation of Constantine – 'Without doubt a forgery...' Catholic Encyclopedia
A two-part document purporting to be from the first Christian emperor to Pope Sylvester I (314-35). In the 'Confessio' Constantine thanks Sylvester for his Christian instruction and baptism (and consequent cure of leprosy!) In his 'Donatio' Constantine confers on the pope and his successors primacy over all other bishops, including the eastern patriarchs, senatorial privileges for the clergy, imperial palaces and regalia, Rome itself and the western empire!!

In truth, this monstrous eighth century forgery (peppered with anachronisms) was almost certainly written by the future Pope Paul I (757-67) while his equally ambitious brother Stephen II (752-57) sat on the papal throne.

The False Decretals – A riot of more than a hundred fake letters and decrees attributed to pontiffs from first century Clement (88-97) to seventh century Gregory I (590-604). Now attributed to 'Isodore Mercator', a ninth century master forger, almost certainly a papal aide. Like the Donation, the Decretals conferred rights and privileges on the papacy.

'Thundering Legion' Decree of Marcus Aurelius – In this fabricated letter from the emperor to the Senate, Marcus is said to have forbidden persecution of Christians because, in a battle with the Quadi in 174, prayers from Christian soldiers brought on a thunderstorm which rescued the Romans from thirst and dispersed the barbarian opponents. The emperor is said to have accorded the Twelfth Legion the suffix fulminata or fulminea, that is, 'thundering.' Tertullian (c.160 - c.230), north African theologian, made up this nonsense; the twelfth legion had had the suffix legio fulminata from the time of Augustus. The stoic Marcus Aurelius had nothing but contempt for the Christians.

'Letters' of Emperor Antoninus Pius to the Greeks – More fakery, this time from the pen of fourth century Bishop Eusebius (Ecclesiastic History, IV, 13). He has the pious second century pagan forbid 'tumults against the Christians.'

The Clementines – These fancies, twenty books of 'curious religious romance' (Catholic Encyclopedia), masquerade as the work of first century pontiff Clement I. Written in the fourth century, their purpose was to bolster Rome's claim to be the primary see: here we have the 'Epistle of Clement to James' which originated the notion that St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.

Correspondence between Seneca and Paul - a fourth century invention of first century letters. They alluded to fires in Rome and to the persecution of Jews and Christians.

Acts of Paul and Thecla – "Love for Paul" was the justification for this particular compendium of fable. None other than Tertullian condemned his rival's handiwork.

"If those who read the writing that falsely bears the name of Paul adduce the example of Thecla to maintain the right of women to teach and to baptize, let them know that the presbyter in Asia who produced this document, as if he could of himself add anything to the prestige of Paul, was removed from his office after he had been convicted and had confessed that he did it out of love for Paul."

– Tertullian, De batismo, 17.

'Testimonium Flavianum' - The infamous 'passing reference' to Jesus Christ supposedly written by the first century Jewish historian Josephus (he adopted the family name of the imperial house).

We know in graphic detail the course of the first Jewish War because – remarkably – the history recorded by Josephus somehow survived. Whereas whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians, curiously, this testimony of a Jew made it through the centuries. A subsequent work by Josephus, The Antiquity of the Jews, which iterated and extended his story of the 'chosen people' also survived.

The survival of these two overlapping works was no coincidence because they rather too well 'confirm' from a 'non-Christian source' the existence of the godman.

In short, sometime in the fourth century, while most else of ancient scholarship was being thrown into bonfires, a Christian scribe – probably Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea– 'rescued' the histories of Josephus and 'doctored' them to provide convenient 'proof' that Christ had been flesh-and-blood and was neither a fiction (as pagan critics maintained) nor solely a spiritual being, as gnostics reasoned. (See The authentic pen of lying Christian scribes!)

Mother of All Fakes
The Shroud of Turin
Modern science signalled the decline in the wholesale manufacture of Christian forgeries.
The freethinker Leonardo da Vinci had the last laugh on the Church when he put his own face on a fake so clever that it remained 'authentic' for five hundred years!
Shrouded in Deceit



The Chronicle of Sulpicius Severus - a 5th century disciple of Bishop Martin of Tours invented the lurid story of the Neronian persecution.

The Jewish historian Josephus says nothing about any "persecution" under Nero, though he is not slow to describe him as "acting like a madman" who "slew his brother, and wife, and mother, from whom his barbarity spread itself to others that were most nearly related to him; and how, at last, he was so distracted that he became an actor in the scenes, and upon the theater." (Wars, 13.1)

If a bonfire of Christians had actually happened Josephus would have mentioned it – but he does not, and nor does any early Christian writer.

"In reality, the Neronian persecution never occurred. It is a fiction of the Church, invented for its greater glory."

– Arthur Drews, The Legend of St Peter, p63.



Chapter 16 of Life of Nero by Suetonius. This is the origin of the 'Christians burnt as torches' nonsense.

The Lentulus Letter For this pious fancy the forger created a fictitious predecessor to Pontius Pilate, governor of Judaea, calling him "Publius Lentulus". The forger has his creation write to the Roman Senate, reporting Christ's "raising of the dead". He describes Jesus as "the most beautiful of the sons of men."

The letter was first printed in the "Life of Christ" by Ludolph the Carthusian (Cologne, 1474). It was probably composed in 13th/14th century, based on an earlier Greek forgery.

Report of Pilate to Caesar – Pilate's conversion to Christianity – and even the debauched Emperor Tiberius a closet-Christian! Another gem from the pen of Tertullian!

‘All these things Pilate did to Christ; and now in fact a Christian in his own convictions, he sent word of Him to the reigning Caesar, who was at the time Tiberius. Yes, and even the Caesars would have believed on Christ, if either the Caesars had not been necessary for the world, or if Christians could have been Caesars.’

– Tertullian Apol. xxi and Anti-Nicene Fathers, iii, 35.



Letter of Jesus to the King of Edessa
Nothing less than the handwritten note of the godman himself! This fabrication was supposedly delivered by the apostle Thaddeus, together with a self-portrait by the artist – Jesus Christ (he wiped his face with the canvass)! Actually, the text is borrowed from the 'concordance' of Tatian, compiled in the second century, and known as the 'Diatessaron'. The forgery is almost certainly the work of Eusebius, Christian propagandist of the fourth century. He was the first to mention the letter and claimed to have personally 'translated' it from Syriac (Ecclesiastical History I, xii).

The Virgin Birth Fraud
The most colossal blunder of the Septuagint translators, the mistranslation of the original Hebrew text of Isaiah, 7.14, allowed deceitful early Christians to concoct their infamous prophecy that somehow the ancient Jewish text presaged the miraculous birth of their own godman.

The Hebrew original says:
'Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel.'

Honestly translated, the verse reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'

The Greek-speaking translators of Hebrew scripture (in 3rd century B.C. Alexandria) slipped up and translated 'almah' (young woman) into the Greek 'parthenos' (virgin). The Hebrew word for virgin would have been 'betulah.' The slip did not matter at the time, for in context, Isaiah’s prophecy – set in the 8th century BC but probably written in the 5th – had been given as reassurance to King Ahaz of Judah that his royal line would survive, despite the ongoing siege of Jerusalem by the Syrians. And it did. In other words, the prophecy had nothing to do with events in Judaea eight hundred years into the future!

Justin ‘Martyr’, a pagan Greek from Palestine, fled to Ephesus at the time of Bar Kochbar’s revolt (132 -135 AD). He joined the growing Christian community and found himself competing with the priests of Artemis, an eternally virgin goddess. Justin successfully overcame the sentiments of established Christians and had Mary, mother of Jesus, declared a virgin, citing his Greek copy of Isaiah as 'evidence' of scriptural prescience. The Greek priest who then forged the 'Gospel according to St. Matthew' went one stage further, taking the word 'harah' – in Hebrew a past or perfect tense – and switched it into a future tense to arrive at:

'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.'

– Matthew 1.23.

All this to arrive at the monstrous fiction that ancient scripture foretold of the arrival of an infant actually called Jesus!

Still Lying in 21st century

The Pope has chosen to canonise Juan Diego, supposedly a sixteenth century Mexican Indian who had the good fortune to have the Blessed Virgin (in the guise of 'Our Lady of Guadeloupe') impress her own image onto his cloak. Not surprisingly, Diego was a paragon of Catholic devotion, completely submissive to Spanish colonial authorities. Mind you, the story only surfaced a century after its alleged occurrence, at the height of the campaign to eradicate indigenous religions.

Commented David Brading, Professor of Mexican History at Cambridge University:

'When the Pope canonises Juan Diego, he will have elevated to sainthood the hero of a religious work of fiction.'

– The Times, 31 June 2002.

Continued The Times:

'An interview with the man given the task in 1947 of restoring Diego's cloak, on which an image of the Virgin appeared, revealed this week that the image was not a miracle. Instead, he said, it had been painted on.'



Whether we look at the Middle Ages and the Reformation, the first centuries of the Christian era or even today, Christianity has always been a fabrication, layer set upon layer of lies and nonsense, a fraud from its very inception."