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To: Brumar89 who wrote (10418)	12/2/2010 3:52:40 PM
From: LLCF	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

<I hate to bring up the Nazis but they had a definition and we need to be able to say theirs was wrong.> NO worries... bring it up all you want, YOu bring it up with evolution, Darwin, Environmentalism... SCIENCE ITSELF!! you're in quite interesting company: thedailyshow.com Noet: make sure to watch to the end. DAK

To: Brumar89 who wrote (10418)	12/2/2010 5:33:39 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"Lives depend on us defining that right." That has structural problems. If the right remains undefined, it stands to reason that the dependent lives are also a matter of definition. You can't hold one indefinite and then glibly insinuate that the other, "lives", is definite. The emotional appeal of the appeal to saving lives is evident, but the logic doesn't stand much scrutiny imo. If I ask the question "what lives?" I am willing to wager a pint o'draught that you'll invoke the lives of embryos. While I agree that they are alive, I have not had it compellingly demonstrated to me that these lives are immediately eligible for personhood. The only way I see out is to invoke a ruling on personhood handed down by fiat, invariably by consulting religious doctrine. I don't accept top-down religious premises, so as near as I can see we won't arrive at consensus. Thus my dodge ... it is the avoidance of otherwise inevitable, and inevitably tiresome, conflict.