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To: koan who wrote (8980)	12/15/2010 12:20:22 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 10087

It wasn't Marx's ideas that caused the Russian tyranny. It was the dictatorship of Stalin. It was both. Before and after Stalin you had tremendous oppression (and its not just an issue of Russia/USSR). To be fair before and after Stalin you had dictatorship as well, but if you had dictatorship without the collectivization and marxist economic policies their would have been less suffering. Had Russia been a democracy Marx's ideas would have ended up a democratic socialist country like Sweden. Sweden isn't marxism with democracy. It has too much capitalism for that to be an accurate description.

To: koan who wrote (8980)	12/15/2010 12:20:40 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 10087

Communism didn't fail, it was just all the people who tried it that failed.

To: koan who wrote (8980)	12/15/2010 1:15:28 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

My grandfather emigrated from the Ukraine about 1911 or 12. In '16 he filled out his savings with a loan from his mining employer and sent passage for his wife, children, and his brother and family. At the last moment my great uncle decided to stay home. He and family disappeared during the first purge of the Kulaks. They had the temerity to think they owned their own lives, implements and stock. Life under the Czar was rude in accordance with the times, but there was some liberalization occurring. That ended with the Marxist inspired collectivization. Mine had the luck to come where capitalism more prevailed despite Wilson, then Hoover/FDR and successors. Life under democratic socialism can be temporarily acceptable to those who don't know better. Events concentrated in Europe imply an implosion. Allowing our potential to flower requires escape from tribal rules that dominated most of humanities existence. It's a tragedy that experience is so unknown, so unrecognized. Three steps forward, sometime thirty back.