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To: koan who wrote (9021)	12/15/2010 4:29:42 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is a very different thing than the statement "there are no absolutes". HUP is a specific statement not a generalization covering all concepts. Also it is itself an absolute, or at least strong interpretations of it are.

To: koan who wrote (9021)	12/15/2010 11:31:05 PM
From: Oeconomicus	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

"The issue was the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), which states you can never ever ever ever know anything for sure, you can never know both the position of something and the velocity for sure." You have demonstrated a knack for injecting assorted established concepts or historical figures from philosophy or, in this case, science into the conversation in the apparent hope of scoring debate points just for citing it. Like a student trying to beef up a mediocre paper by adding citations to famous works regardless of relevance. Or a compulsive name-dropper, trying to impress people. But as usual, you have mangled the concept, suggesting that your grasp of these things is not nearly what you'd like us to believe. What you say after the last comma above is essentially correct, but it in no way implies the part I have bolded. And since the impossibility of one "knowing anything for sure" seems to have been the point you were trying to support, it appears you have appealed again to the wrong authority to make your case.